ARC Ref 6 and Ref 10 opinions , talk, stories, buying options and opinions


Just for fun question. One of my thoughts from all you audophiles who own the Ref 6 or Ref 10 or anything below would like to know if you had a choice to buy a brand new Ref 6 or a used Ref 10 which would you go with. And i would love to hear your opinions on both of these preamps. 
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I have heard both the REF 6 and REF 10.

I own a REF 6 and would no hesitation purchase a REF 10 if budget allowed.

The REF 6 does everything quite well.  If friends asked me, depending on what their budget was, I would tell them to take either a retubed REF 3, REF 5SE or REF 6 and if their system called for it and budget allowed, a REF 10.

The REF 10 is the best pre-amp I've heard and I've heard some amazing pre-amps.

Matched with REF 250SE or 750SE amps, and that part of the system will basically disappear sonically.

As I've mentioned in other posts, when you get to this level, you really aren't missing much and jaw dropping differences really don't happen.  Subtle sonic differences and nuances maybe. 

The real test is to A/B listen in your home system with a REF 6 and REF 10.  If that can't happen, then an A/B comparison in a store's system with a REF 6 and REF 10.  Changing nothing else but the pre-amp.

Another thing that I believe people do incorrectly when comparing equipment is that they don't make volume levels.

An apple to apples comparison would entail listening a the level you desire on device A, then place a test CD on at the same level and measure with a db sound level meter the db level.  Then, when satisfied, remove device A and insert device B and play the test tone and adjust the volume until it matched the first.  Then, listen to the same music.

I believe that many people perceive differences in sonics as superior/inferior when actually it is volume/gain levels that are the only difference.  I hear things like, the highs are more pronounced.  or the bass is lower.  But, my first question is, did you match volume levels first?

Anyway, if you have the system, budget and money, the REF 10 is simply great.  The REF 6 is high end great also.  Brand new, full retail, they both are stupidly expensive.  But, on the used market?  you can find really good value.

enjoy

I own a REF5se as well, but did also hear a REF10. My pocket book made the decision very easy for me. If my ears wrote the check, I would have a REF10. And as bifwayne asked, please share you opinions and experience between the 5 and 6. 
It's been a long time but I'd personally choose a Ref 5SE over the 6 for myself. Even though there are some areas where I prefer the 6, the 5SE is easier for me to listen to long term.


 
Joeinid, how would you compare the Ref 5SE with the Ref 6. Leagues apart??