Getting into Tube Equipment


Hey there,

I have been gradually getting into vinyl and hi-fi for a while now. I mostly listen to folk, country, and some bluesy-rock music. Examples include the Grateful Dead, Sturgill Simpson, John Denver, and the Tedeschi Trucks Band.

I have been forward thinking about audio equipment I would like to have in the future. The components I am most eager to upgrade are my amp and phono preamp. For the amp, I am very interested in one of the Dynaco clones people are selling like the ST-70, ST-120 or the M-125 by Bob Latino. However, my first order of business will have to be getting a phono preamp with a volume control because these amps do not have a volume control. I would like to preface, I am not independently wealthy and do not expect to be in my life. Therefore, a $12,000 stereo setup does not seem like a reasonable option for me.

Can anyone please give me direction on either getting a Pro-Ject Tube Box DS or a used EAR 834P?

Additionally, If I could get some direction on an amp, it would be useful. Right now I own the Wharfedale Denton 80th Anniversary speakers and I really love them. The only thing I can see upgrading to is a pair of used Harbeth Super hl5plus speakers but this would be in the more distant future. Based on what I currently have and will be using for awhile, as well as my future considerations, are any of the amps I am considering a best fit? 

-Thomas
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Ralph's (atmosphere) assessment is spot on as with some of the others.

Getting into High end anything seriously involves work.  Some people fall into money, and really just want toys.  Some enjoy certain things and really appreciate them. 

Music is one of those things.  Some listen only as background music (and there's nothing wrong with that for them), some like equipment only and the feeling of ownership of "high end" equipment.  some really appreciate and enjoy the accurate reproduction/play back of music and want it to be as "real" and accurate as they can find and afford.

First I would recommend setting a price point for equipment.  How is that done?  Well, that is difficult.  determine what sound you really like.  accurate reproduction of vocals, musical instruments, etc.  When  you know that, go out and listen a lot to various equipment in different price ranges.  since you aren't buying yet, don't limit yourself to certain price points.  Listen to a wide range of equipment in various price points.  Take your time.  Go to friend's homes and listen, good stores that let you take your music and listen to various equipment.   go to audio shows.  But the point is to go and listen to a lot of stuff at various price points.

When you hear to sound and quality you like.  Then you would have set the price point.  If you are keeping your current speakers, then you have narrowed the field on amps.  When you have done that, you also now know the field for pre-amps.

If then, you can bring equipment to your home and connect to your speakers, then you can get a realistic listening experience.  it is really important to listen in your home on your stuff.  if that isn't possible and you really want to keep your speakers, then ask if you can take your speakers to stores, and listen to amps connected to your speakers there.  if they laugh loudly, then ask if they have similar speakers and listen there. 

Just remember, when you are going to stores and listening, you aren't just listening to the amp/pre-amp.  You are also listening to their speakers and cables and "their room". 

If the store has a wide range of equipment that you are interested in (mostly this doesn't happen), then you can swap one amp for another (changing nothing else) and listen and get a good feel for that amp or pre-amp.

All of this take patience, learning and time.  it can be fun and enjoyable if you aren't in a hurry and are patient.  it is definitely not fun when in every store they look you up and down, to assess your spending capability,  won't set up equipment for you, and are basically not helpful.  Be extra careful of places that are trying to off load standing equipment.

But there are lots of really nice tubed equipment out there.  There are also lots of really not nice tubed equipment out there.  So, investigate, investigate, investigate, listen,  read, ask, and most importantly take stuff home to listen there.

enjoy

One other tip- in this case, you already know you want tubes, so as a result if the question of which you get first, the amp or the speakers, now you have a better idea. You get a speaker that works easily with tubes and by all means you avoid a speaker that is considered 'hard to drive'.
Actually I don't see any point in 'hard to drive' speakers since all amps, solid state, class D and tubes make more distortion when asked to work hard. High end audio is about getting *rid* of distortion - getting closer to the music.
Tube amplifier power has always been more expensive than solid state, in fact when the industry went from tubes to transistors decades ago it was mostly driven by the higher profit margin that was possible with transistors. The point here is that keeping the speaker easy to drive will really help you with that amplifier dollar.
@atmasphere   As is usual I agree with your posts, and in this thread in near entirety, with the following ("staying away") exception...

Some speaker recommendations: ... some of the Tekton lineup (stay away from the 4 ohm models)

In my personal experience, the 4 Ohm versions of the Tekton Double Impacts and Special Editions are easy to drive and many owners are doing so with low power amps.
They probably do alright, but the 4 ohm versions can be problematic if you use an amplifier that does not employ loop negative feedback. This is pretty much all SETs as well as a number of push-pull amps. Essentially you may encounter problems getting the bass energy right. Its not worth messing with, since the amp’s ability to play 8 ohms is better and will result with more neutral presentation, one that is more transparent and likely also smoother.
If you’re on a budget, but are also committed to a tube amp, why not get the most out of it? I compare it to buying a Porsche but not setting it up with the right tires. It might be fun to drive, but it would probably be a lot more fun if you had the right tires on it.
Ralph, these are qualifications to the original general 'phrasing.'

My issue is and was with the generality vis a vis Tekton 4 Ohm speakers, in that phrasing.

I restate that many (not all) low powered amps will work with the 4 Ohm Tektons I own(ed) and they likely will on Eric's other variants similar to the DIs and SEs.