tubes and current


hi all, I current use a 300B SET with a pair of B&W805 D3 sounds good but with obviously drawback that the B&Ws love high current and the 300B SET can only do so much.  I've been saving up for a second tube amp for large orchestral music and when I want lush full body sound.

I've been looking between EL34/KT88 amps with 4 tubes vs 8 tubes.  I have borrowed a 4x EL34 tube amp before and there was more than enough volume for me, so I don't need 8x tubes for more volume.  What I'm wondering is if 8x tubes would produce 1.5x-2x the current produced or is that really just a design of the amplifier not directly related to number of tubes.

Otherwise, any high current tube amp you guys like below $2500 used or new?  
Is it worth trying 300B push pull or 845 SET?

Thanks.
hifineubee
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Great suggestions by Pdreher!

Given that your speakers have presumably been designed with the expectation that they would typically be used with solid state amps, and given their very widely fluctuating impedance curve (see Figure 1 of Stereophile’s measurements), what you need in addition to adequate power is low output impedance. "Low" for a tube amp, that is.

Nearly all solid state amps have very low output impedance. Tube amp output impedances vary widely among different designs. SETs tend to have relatively high output impedances, and the interaction of a high output impedance with the impedance variations of your speaker will result (relative to the tonality that would result with a solid state amp) in under-emphasis of frequencies at which the speaker impedance is low and over-emphasis of frequencies at which the speaker impedance is high. Which in this case would appear to mean an over-emphasis of the upper mid-range and an under-emphasis of the bass, part of the lower mid-range, and the upper treble. Which doesn’t seem to coincide with the "lush and full bodied" sonics you indicated you are looking for.

The VAC Renaissance 30/30 provides a 2 ohm output tap as well as 4 and 8 ohm taps. The 2 ohm tap will provide lower output impedance than the others. The amp also provides adjustable feedback, which will give you a lot of flexibility in optimizing tonality. More feedback = lower output impedance, but might trade off against the intrinsic sonic character of the amp to some degree. Also, the fact that the amp is very heavy speaks well of the robustness of its power supply and its ability to deliver current.

In term of power capability, I suspect that its 32 watt capability in combination with your 88 db speakers will be adequate for the vast majority of classical orchestral recordings. There may be a few having exceptionally wide dynamic range, though, such as some of the older Telarc and Sheffield Labs recordings, which will have brief dynamic peaks that it may not be able to handle.

The more powerful Music Reference amp Pdreher referred to is also highly regarded. That and other Music Reference amps with which I am familiar have output impedances that are considerably lower than average for a tube amp, as can be seen from their specified damping factors (damping factor being inversely proportional to output impedance). Also, Stereophile measured an output impedance of only 0.3 ohms for the original version of the RM-9.

I have no particular knowledge of the Quicksilver amp that was suggested, and in particular what its output impedance or damping factor may be.

Hope to clarify here my original question is ’does adding more tubes increase high current of amp (not just watts) or is high current mainly determined by amp design and transformer used and not directly related to amount of tubes used’.

There are a great many design-dependent variables which affect how much current an amp can deliver. However, most amps which provide a 4 ohm or lower output tap and can provide adequate power capability for your needs will be able to deliver adequate current. What is more important, given adequate power capability and good quality design, is a suitable match between amplifier output impedance and the variations of the speaker’s impedance over the frequency range.

Good luck. Regards,

-- Al
If you like the warm tube sound and love those speakers, consider a Class A amp.  You might find an Aragon, Sumo or other for a reasonable price.  Pass Labs will do what you need but are not cheap.  Otherwise you need a big tube amp such as Cary v12.
There are fairly efficient speakers out there that aren't as unique as single driver speakers if you can find them.  Coincident is my favorite but you will find others rated at 92db or better.  92db will barely cut it with 8 watts.  
Here is more info on the Quicksilver Mid mono amp.  There is also a 
230 volt/50Hz version:

Power Output: 40 watts into 4 or 8 ohms

Power Bandwidth: 16 Hz to 35 KHz

Input Sensitivity: 1.25 volts

Input Impedance: 100 K ohms

Power Consumption:
105 watts at idle
210 watts at full power

Tube Complement: 1 12AX7 input, 1 6922 driver, 2 EL34 outputs


I believe all Quicksilver amplifiers have the same input impedance.   Input sensitivity does vary.