Looking for ideas - new mono blocks for stereo music


Hello!

I am on a bit of a mission to upgrade my equipment and just recently purchased the Esoteric K-01X SACD player.
In my case, the primary focus for critical listening is stereo music (aka red book CD) from the Esoteric.
My current chain is from the Esoteric through the Marantz 8802A into the Bryston 7B-SST2 powering a pair of JBL 1400 Array speakers.
I am very happy with the JBLs and just upgraded to the K-01X (had the X-03SE before).

Right now I would like to hear some suggestions for new mono blocks. I am already planning on adding the Esoteric C-03X(s) to the system to replace the Marantz as (stereo) pre-amp.

The primary focus is detail and resolution as I really love hearing new aspects of CDs that previous equipment couldn't reveal.
Soundstage and instrument placement are also high on the list. Bass slam / impact is not really a priority since I am stuck in an apartment for the time being.
Another factor is heat - I am looking for an amp, not a space heater. Especially considering the already hot summers in Toronto!
The price ceiling for me is somewhere around $20,000/pair

My current short list consists of:
Grandinote
Pass Labs
Simaudio
Mark Levinson

Now it's time for the brainpool (that's you guys!) to have at it :)

Thanks in advance!
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You should try a pair of Linn Klimax Solo Chakra 500 monoblock amps. I used to own these in my all Linn Klimax setup and system driving the Linn Klimax 365 passive speakers. But I've moved away from all Linn Klimax setup and system and upgraded my gears couple times since then. I used to be a huge fan of all Linn setup and system or the so-called Linnie. My two-channel rigs used to consist of all Linn Klimax stuff as well as the Linn LP12 Klimax version turntable package with all Linn Klimax PSU. 

But I have no idea how these Linn Klimax Solo 500 monoblock amps will perform and sound on your JBL. They sounded very musical in all Linn Klimax setup and system paired with the Linn Klimax 365 speakers. These are great amps and sounded very natural / organic. 

Let me get back on the whole mono blocks vs stereo amps part. I've never said that mono blocks sound better but I stated my reasons for preferring mono blocks - mainly more flexibility in terms of placement.
Not saying I won't consider a great stereo amp but the initial goal is finding a feasible list of mono blocks.

And that's the other part - feasibility. While I appreciate all the feedback and ideas, please keep in mind that even in a big city like Toronto, there are only a limited number of hifi stores left and I can't try some of the exotic amps some of you mentioned.
Neither will I go down the 'import from the US route'. It's really not worth the hassle, not to mention that aboot (see what I did there?) 95% of the sellers won't ship to Canada anyway. And don't even get me started on the state of the Canadian dollar... *sigh*

I've got a good idea of which amps I can actually listen to and that will be my short list in the end.
No matter how good something might be for another forum member in their system, if I can't demo it somewhere, it's not going to make the list.
I m glad my local dealer sold Magnepan! It would have been tough to go for Magnepan having to audition 100 miles away.
MY recent purchase of 20.7 Magnepans was part "I can" and part if not now, never. So instead of buying 3,7i, I jump off the cliff and bought the 20.7s. One of the most interesting things was my dealer telling me I do NOT need a new amp(s) as I as thinking I wanted Bryston 7B3. Instead, he steered by to home audition a Marantz SA-10 SACD player. (I bought one)..All this story is just to say a local dealer can be a huge help. Over the years I have learned to trust the help my dealer has given me. I may not see him too often, Only once in several years? Lucky he is still around..            
One nice thing about him is if I want to audition something, I can sit down and play my brought in CDs (or LPs) for a few hours. He just leaves me alone. No trying to sell. I was lucky I had auditioned the 20.7 about four years earlier for several hours there. So I was able to just buy them later as he had no 20.7 as demos this year.

Writing up my Parasound comments, since it is so lengthy.

Stock – JC1 has a very refined sound, midrange is very smooth and refined. Emphasis is tilted slightly towards the upper midrange which causes the audio to sound just a little bit thin in the midbass area. Sound is soft. Overall, sound to me is just a little bit low fidelity. It’s very smooth and refined, but just doesn’t sing or have that effect of sounding real.

Main A/C fuse (on back panel) replaced with Furutech 15A – This significantly improved things. The attack and resolution is much better and tonal qualities are much more real. Instruments and vocals ring out with more truth. Sound is no longer tilted so much towards the upper mids and it is fuller sounding. The high frequencies are just a little bit jangly sounding (best I can describe), but overall a significant improvement. Bass is a significant improvement. It is still somewhat soft sounding.

All internal fuses replaced with Furutech (there are 6 fuses inside each JC1 that affect audio) – This is the best and most natural sounding result so far. There is no grain or jangly resonance heard in any of the frequencies. Bass is just absolutely amazing – oh my god! I cannot stress how much tight deep and strong bass you get with this particular configuration. It’s a serious “punch you in the chest” type of bass – hits really hard, but sounds natural and deep. Resolution and attack are still soft here. I think the soft attack also extends into some of the high frequencies as well.

In actuality, I discovered my Emotiva XPR-1 amps (also loaded with Furutech fuses) just beat the crap out of the JC1 with regards to resolution and detail. However, the Emotiva is not the cleanest sounding amp and I can definitely hear a slight element of grain in the sound.

So what’s really going on here? I think it’s a combination of things. I have listened very closely this weekend and I think the main thing I am hearing is that the Parasound amps have a very soft attack on midrange and early high frequencies. I believe this is mostly due to the Class A biasing. Even though JC1 is not a pure Class A amp, it is still Class A biased into 10 watts (at low bias setting). This is still enough Class A biasing to soften the attack on the midrange waveforms by smoothing out the response to the waveforms themselves. Class A circuits will tend to have a very gradual curved response when it receives a waveform spike on the input. This is less sensitive with analog preamp circuits, but when you are working with speaker level voltage, the response curve is much more gradual (based on slew rate response). This has a result of making angular waveforms (like a snare hit) more rounded or curved. Again, it depends on the engineering of the Class A circuit and how it responds to spikes on the input.

A comment on the high bias (25 watt) configuration of the JC1. The only time in my system that the 25 watt high bias Class A setting sounded good was with the stock fuses. The High Bias actually provided a more engaging sound. However, with Furutech fuses, it just made things too slow and mushy.

Another possible reason is my speakers, which are B&W 805 D3 diamonds. They are not a very fast responding speaker (they are actually hard to drive from an amp standpoint), but they are very natural sounding (the reason I went with them). So the combination of a neutral responding speed and the difficulty of pushing the drivers and magnet engines could contribute to the slow attack on the midrange and highs.

Finally, it can also be from having too many Class A stages. I have found through extensive testing with DAC/preamp stages that if you have too many Class A stages in a row, the sound becomes too slow and soft. So, my configuration:

HT Processor – Krell S1200U discrete Class A analog stage

JC1 – discrete JFET Class A input stage, MOSFET driver stage

JC1 – high biased Class A output stage

In my case, I think all of the above items contribute to a soft attack on the mids/highs. It does sound very nice and pleasant. Music is nice and pleasant (such as with a tube amp), but just doesn’t have that extra bit of attack and resolution to make things stand out. For home theater purposes, I just don’t have enough attack/detail to make movies exciting and engaging. It’s definitely not an optimum amp choice for my system.

I think the Parasound amps would work very well with speakers that are extremely fast responding and no decay. The Martin Logan panels are one example as they definitely have a tendency to sound bright/thin/harsh. They require the waveforms to be further smoothed so that it fills out the sound. Other speakers that might excel are the Monitor Audio Platinums (with the very fast ribbon tweeters) or maybe the Focals with their extremely light and fast responding midrange/woofers. Or add a JC1 if you have a very thin/bright sounding preamp/source.


@bigddesign3 – this could also be the reason that the Krell Class A works so well with your Martin Logan panels. If you read Whitecamaross’s amp thread, he states that the JC1 does everything right from top to bottom. Reading further, he found that the huge Pass Labs 200 watt full Class A monoblocks were the best sound he heard (though I am suspicious of his continued “this is the best” posts). He also was listening with high end Martin Logan Panels with those two amps.