Tonearms: Ripoff?


If you search for tonearm recommendations you'll find an overwhelming amount of praise for $1k and less products. Audiomods and Jelco are the two most mentioned.

The Audiomods is just some guy making Rega-based tonearms in a workshop. Just some guy is putting out tonearms that compete with tonearms that cost many times the price -- from the likes of SME, Clearaudio, VPI, Graham, etc.

So the question is -- are tonearms just a scam? How is it that everyone loves Audiomods and Jelco to death and never talks about / dismisses high end tonearms? Is it because there's no real difference between one of these low-cost tonearms and the high end ones? Is an Audiomods Series V ** really ** the equivalent of a SME V? Some guy in a workshop equals the famed precision of SME? Is that once you have the math and materials worked out all tonearms are essentially the same? Or is it that most owners of record players online are dumpster-diving for vintage gear and simply can't afford to listen to better?

So, what's going on?
madavid0
@daveyf

The next time you are in Japan, give these guys a visit, and then get back to us: http://analog.ev.shopserve.jp

I’ve mentioned them earlier in this thread, the SoundHeights (link above) can ship overseas on request and reply on email request in english, but it is an exception. Normally japanese online shops do not ship internationally and don’t even speak english even if you visit them in Tokyo. About 5 years ago I’ve bought my SPU Spirit (limited edition) from them and they are good. When i’ve noticed miss tracking and became suspicious i have returned that new cartridge for full refund. Only 500 cartridges were made in this SPU Spirit series and mine was number 500 (the last one)! However, they are clearly explained me there is no warranty for buyers outside of japan. I would prefer to fix that cartridge under warranty, but it was impossible!


How does one know which tonearm goes with which table?

This looks like a good combination: Kuzma reference and Wheaton Triplaner; plus koetsu cartridge.


    https://www.tnt-audio.com/sorgenti/kuzma_stabi_e.html


    https://www.triplanar.com/


    https://www.stereophile.com/tonearms/the_tri-planar_tonearm/index.html


    https://www.upscaleaudio.com/collections/koetsu


Or maybe Lyra?



    https://www.signals.uk.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Lyra-price-list-1.pdf


    http://lyraanalog.com/



Can anyone give any recommendations on this most exclusive shopping list?
edgewear - I've heard modified Denon 103s sound superb when properly loaded and on a matching tonearm.  It isn't a turd in my friends system.  Perla Audio has an engineer who does a fantastic job modifying the cartridge for a low price.  I've heard it and my friend purchased one (about $500).  What a bargain!
@madavid0when you wrote:

"The isn’t whether I want to spend a lot of money on high end tonearms or not, the issue is if they are a ripoff or not. Do they offer audio performance above cheaper ones? This is NOT hard to understand.

So far there is ONE poster who says he’s seen an improvement moving up from cheaper tonearms to more expensive ones. The others have all refused to address the question or admit that they think high end tonearms are a ripoff."

Can I just ask you the question - are all your opinions based upon making a jibe at what can be paraphrased as what you clearly think "more money than sense" audiophiles - or are you genuinely looking for guidance with a view to putting an arm on your TT.

You are asking questions on value - but that is utterly arbitrary. To person starving even £20 quid on a MM cartridge would be an extravagance. A Casio digital watch is as functional and accurate as a Patek Phillipe - likewise do you want food or a protein meal replacement shake. In other words what are your parameters? A Vertere or an SAT will be wasted on a Rega P2 lets' say. Put it on a OneDof or an AF1 and it makes sense. You don't put used Lada tyres on an F1 car - to some palpable and marginal gains may well be small - but to them it is value. 

In fact with all your posts I am curious as to what you have as your hifi system? Without wishing to insult those who own these products (I have owned them myself) but are you trying to compare a Rega P2 with an Exact Cartridge to an AF1 with a Lyra Atlas? 

You spend ages on the forums - as such do you actually listen to music, let alone your own music system?

definitely a Troll thread.  

OP doesn't understand law of diminishing returns, low volume artisanal products, or much else about the top end of analogue products.