Skeptic or just plain hard headed


So I purchased a pair of Morrow Audio phono cables. These are the PH3 with the Eichmann connectors. Wanted to start there to see if MA cables will be a viable option for my system.I think my story is not so unique to others who have purchased MA cables. So no need to go into the hu hum of burn-in in regards to MA cables, and how things sound bad at first, then gets better,  then excellent...yada yada yada. I know the story about this product.  I simply am one who is not a believer in electronics break in periods, or battery packs on cables, etc... Regardless of what side of the fence you are on in regards to that Im NOT trying to start that debate again please.. Anyway. After reading several reviews of the MA cables and understanding that most agreed that the cables needed a substantial burn-in time, and that the cables would not sound its best until this happens I decided to give them a try. Thinking ok lets get a jump on the burn-in period (if the concept is true). I paid for the 2 day burn-in service from MA. What I didn't expect is that when I got the cable it would sound as bad as it did in comparison to my existing name brand cable (not getting into that either, not relevant). I thought well the cable might not quite be up to snuff with all this talk about burn-in (if its true) but not that much of a difference.  I mean as soon as I dropped the needle on the record I immediately heard a profound difference in sound stage and clarity degridation. Needless to say this cable was destined to be returned to MA for a full refund and my thinking was "they are crazy if I am going to trade my cable for this cable" So I decided to give MA a call to setup the return. Talked with Mike Morrow (very nice guy by the way) and we had our differences in what I should expect out of his product. Now my Mother always told me that I have a hard head.. I heard that growing up all my life, and when you couple that with skepticism it makes a pretty, well lets just say not a very fun person to have a debate with lol. However Mike insisted that if I return the cable that I would be missing out on the fruit they would bare after 400 hours of break in. 400 hours??? really!. Oh at that point I was really ready to return them. I told all my friends "Mike must be nuts" (no offense Mike) no way am I going to wait a year to hear what this cable is capable of, AND I do not have any way to expedite the process...at least I thought I didn't until I found an old sound bar I don't use anymore with analog inputs. Ok I know you pro MA and  pro cable burn-in folks are chomping at the bit. Im almost done. Take your hands off the keyboard for just a few more lines. 

So here is the deal to be fair I am going to be open minded about this because Mike really made me feel like I would be missing out if I return the cable without a proper burn-in (great salesman), and since he had such conviction I now think I have to test this thing out right??. Now I know that there are testimonials out there about how the MA cable improved over 100s of hours in their system, and that they are now "blown away". However can you really hear a profound difference in a cable you play in your system over 170 hours or so?  I would think a gradual difference would be harder to detect. I mean my system seems to sound better to me everyday without making any changes. Is it because of  continued cable and electronics burn in?? maybe. Or maybe its just my brain becoming more intimate with the sound of my system. Well this test I'm doing should reveal a night and day difference from what the system sounds like today with the cable pre burn-in if there is any merit to the notion. In regards to does it sound better than my existing cable that is yet to be determined. I think my goal now is to prove or dis-prove if cable burn-in is a real thing. This whole idea has evolved from if it's an improvement or not over what I use today. We can discuss that later.

I now have the cable connected between a cd player , and a sound bar with a CD playing on repeat. The disc of choice for this burn-in is rather dynamic so it should be a good test. At the end of 16 days (384 hours) I will move the cables to my reference system and do about another 20 hours of additional burn-in to compensate for moving the cable. This will put a total of 452 hours of burn-in on the PH3. When I put this cable back in my system I sure hope it sings because this is a lot to go through to add a cable to your system. Mike if you are right I will eat crow and will preach from the highest mountain top that you are right, and that cable burn-in is REAL.  For me anyway the myth will be considered busted or reinforce my belief that cable burn-in is a bunch of BS. 

For those who will argue the point of cable burn-in I fully understand the concept, and I don't plan to get sucked down that rat hole and I won't argue that....yet because at the end of this test I may be in your camp and I don't want to have a steady diet of crow so for now I will remain neutral on the subject until the test is complete.  However I will be totally transparent and honest about the results. So not trying to make anyone angry as I know beliefs about audio are sensitive subjects, and rightfully so this hobby is expensive and I like you have a substancial investment in this. Just trying to get to the truth. I also understand that cable burn-in may actually happen when you consider it from a scientific perspective, but the real question is can you actually hear the difference.  

I will report back to this thread in 17 days from today (need at least one day to evaluate) with the results. 

happy listening!!

-Keith
barnettk
I'm a bit of a newby in the audiophile world, so bear with me on this.  If break-in on cables and/or other equipment is so critical to the enjoyment of the product, why don't manufacturers (especially in this case where an inordinate amount of burn-in is suggested) simply burn-in the products themselves?  Then, instead of each customer following their own potentially flawed regimen, the burn-in could be performed in an ideal environment, and in a consistent/controlled manner?  
Well, then the seller can drag out the buyer trying the cable for many weeks, even months, hoping the customer WILL GIVE UP. LOL
The above is ’tongue in cheek". I have no idea why. All I can say is.. after a month of it, Never again.. NEVER. I have been at this hobby for over 50 years, and that one cable was the one too far, for me to ever do it again. MY other experiences has been yeah sounds terrible.. a few hours, it changes and sound like it might be Ok.. By the end of two days yeah it is great. For ALL OTHER CABLES. SO now, if it sucks by end of day two it GOES BACK.... PERIOD.
Yeah I am ranting....
ADDED: i wonder if it is some kind of HAZING experience? So by going through it, the customer become one with the event, and thus will have to praise the stupid event or look like a fool? Plus they get to brag and sucker others into the same hazing event??? Also the person going through this thinks "I must be a special audiophile to have gone through this. And the cable must be extra super special since it takes so much effort. (When in fact any audiophile could buy another cable that sound just as good, and only take two days. ) But because they went through it, they think that cannot be.... (or all that effort was for nothing. Guess what.. it was for nothing.)
" why don't manufacturers (especially in this case where an inordinate amount of burn-in is suggested) simply burn-in the products themselves?"

It requires space, time and money. In the end, it would up the cost to the end user and the end result is not a priority to the manufacturer as the burn-in process is done by the buyer anyway, through use.
barnettk,

I will follow your results as you are, more or less, aligned with me. Much more than this break-in business, which is suspicious to me to say the least, I am more interested in your finding that new cables sounded different from the old ones. That is a big breakthrough, if you ask me, as it is coming from someone who seems not to be overly-religious about audio things and not willing to buy all that is presented as a non-disputable fact. Now, you are not making it easy for those who never cared about cables.
Typically when you buy a cable from the manufacturer the cable is made to order. This is the case with MA. I’m sure it’s the case with others as well. If the whole idea of burn in holds water you would still have to burn them in again when you got them anyway because they sat in the shelf and got twisted, bent etc. . Also. This is a service they can sell you. It’s all about the dollar at the end of the day.