I would bet those ungrounded cords are not U L approved. Should one of them catch fire, would the homeowners insurance cover it? I am willing to bet they wouldn’t.
To buy grounded or not to buy grounded. That is the question.
I recently happened on to a highly recommended web site and looked at power cord options. There were two basic options: grounded or non-grounded. Below is the copied info from the non-grounded cord page.
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"Description
Non-grounded cord (Ungrounded, the ground wire is removed from cord, with G-plug still intaked)
WHY?
Based upon measurements and listening tests; I have recommended to people, to ground only one piece of their interconnected equipment. The interconnects will provide static dissipation through the secondary ground connection & nuetral. They often look at me in extreme terror.😱
Wikipedia agrees…
Wiki; A ground loop is the result of careless or inappropriate design or interconnection of electrical equipment that results in there being multiple paths to ground where this is not required, so a complete loop is formed. In the simplest case, two items of equipment, A and B, are each connected to a wall socket by a 3 conductor cable, containing a protective ground conductor. This becomes a problem when a interconnect cable is connected between A and B, to pass data or audio signals. The shield of the data cable is typically connected to the grounded equipment chassis of both A and B. There is now a ground loop.
How can you benefit from this? Purchase the Grounded cord to hook to your preamp or integrated receiver…All other power cords in the system, such as source equipment, dacs, amplifiers, subwoofers,etc. should all use the non-grounded cord. This will direct ground your system, removing hum and reduce harmonic distortion from your system. We’ve seen multi thousand dollar power conditioners that do not fix or address this issue. The issues of ground loops are often greater then the dirtiness of the actual AC power!
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Hot: The black wire is the hot wire, which provides a 120 VAC current source.
Neutral: The white wire is called the neutral wire. It provides the return path for the current provided by the hot wire. The neutral wire is connected to an EARTH GROUND!!!
Ground: The bare wire is called the ground wire. Like the neutral wire, the ground wire is also connected to an earth ground. However, the neutral and ground wires serve two distinct purposes.
The neutral wire forms a part of the live circuit along with the hot wire. In contrast, the ground wire is connected to any metal parts in an appliance such as a microwave oven or coffee pot. This is a safety feature, in case the hot or neutral wires somehow come in contact with metal parts. Connecting the metal parts to earth ground eliminates the shock hazard in the event of a short circuit. (KEY WORD IS SHORT CIRCUIT, Meaning your electronics are broken!)"
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"Description
Non-grounded cord (Ungrounded, the ground wire is removed from cord, with G-plug still intaked)
WHY?
Based upon measurements and listening tests; I have recommended to people, to ground only one piece of their interconnected equipment. The interconnects will provide static dissipation through the secondary ground connection & nuetral. They often look at me in extreme terror.😱
Wikipedia agrees…
Wiki; A ground loop is the result of careless or inappropriate design or interconnection of electrical equipment that results in there being multiple paths to ground where this is not required, so a complete loop is formed. In the simplest case, two items of equipment, A and B, are each connected to a wall socket by a 3 conductor cable, containing a protective ground conductor. This becomes a problem when a interconnect cable is connected between A and B, to pass data or audio signals. The shield of the data cable is typically connected to the grounded equipment chassis of both A and B. There is now a ground loop.
How can you benefit from this? Purchase the Grounded cord to hook to your preamp or integrated receiver…All other power cords in the system, such as source equipment, dacs, amplifiers, subwoofers,etc. should all use the non-grounded cord. This will direct ground your system, removing hum and reduce harmonic distortion from your system. We’ve seen multi thousand dollar power conditioners that do not fix or address this issue. The issues of ground loops are often greater then the dirtiness of the actual AC power!
Need More?
Hot: The black wire is the hot wire, which provides a 120 VAC current source.
Neutral: The white wire is called the neutral wire. It provides the return path for the current provided by the hot wire. The neutral wire is connected to an EARTH GROUND!!!
Ground: The bare wire is called the ground wire. Like the neutral wire, the ground wire is also connected to an earth ground. However, the neutral and ground wires serve two distinct purposes.
The neutral wire forms a part of the live circuit along with the hot wire. In contrast, the ground wire is connected to any metal parts in an appliance such as a microwave oven or coffee pot. This is a safety feature, in case the hot or neutral wires somehow come in contact with metal parts. Connecting the metal parts to earth ground eliminates the shock hazard in the event of a short circuit. (KEY WORD IS SHORT CIRCUIT, Meaning your electronics are broken!)"
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stereo5 I would bet those ungrounded cords are not U L approvedThey're probably UL listed. There's nothing inherently unsafe with a two-prong power cord. It's using it on a device that is designed for a cord with a safety ground that's hazardous. Should one of them catch fire, would the homeowners insurance cover it?It would almost certainly be a covered loss. Carelessness isn't a typical exclusion. |
cleeds1,813 posts12-12-2018 2:09pm @ cleeds From the OP’s posted message "Description2 wire cord with 3 wire Plug and 3 wire IEC female connector. The female IEC connector would have to be a 3 wire. A 2 wire female IEC connector would not connect to a 3 wire IEC male connector on a piece of equipment designed to be grounded. No hole in the 2 wire connector for the equipment ground blade. Not only is the power cord not listed it could leave the person building and selling them liable in a court of law in the event of a person being electrocuted. Jim |
I am sorry but I want to add two cents to the message by erik who sez’ : "" Pangea cables with removable ground pins are a safety hazard in multiple ways and should not be purchased or used. "" Now exactly why if one is NOT removing the ground pin. The pin is very tight, and hard to remove except with a screwdriver (the tip of the ground pin had a slot for a screwdriver and the rubber around the base is very tight). I know this because I just bought some of the Pangea AC14XL with the ground pin removal mechanism. Since I agree any equipment with a ground built into the box should utilize said ground. I certainly have no plan on removing the pin. (though if I used it with a product which has only the two prong type, whether I remove the ground pin is my business.) Why exactly am i in danger of owning said cord? Perhaps you think mysterious aliens might beam down and remove my ground pins while I sleep.. My mortal enemies breaking in and stealing the ground pins? I would like to know??? The fact folks drive a car at all is a thousand time more dangerous, And according to erik.’a train of thought.. no one should ever be allowed to do so... Just in case hey?? But erik clearly thinks you all are total idiots. so thus incapable of handling your own needs and priorities.. You clearly need to be protected... for your own good of course. So never touch anything electrical. or which can move fast, but might give you a tummy ache. Have Mommy or Daddy do it FOR you. Be safe. Better yet, call erik. Have him do it for you. Don’t touch that light switch! Call erik. As for the original fooling around with AC grounds? As mentioned, best cure is everything from one AC duplex, or pair or even quad of duplex each/all with common ground inside. |
jea48 2 wire cord with 3 wire Plug and 3 wire IEC female connector. The female IEC connector would have to be a 3 wire. A 2 wire female IEC connector would not connect to a 3 wire IEC male connector on a piece of equipment designed to be grounded. No hole in the 2 wire connector for the equipment ground blade.You’re correct, of course - I should have reviewed the OP. There’s no way this could be a UL approved cable. |
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