Modern AV Receiver vs Amp / Pre-Amp separates? Genuine question


Do modern AV receivers (mid-range price on up) with the latest DACs deliver the bulk of the musical experience that a separate AMP+DAC or AMP+Pre-Amp+DAC can deliver for about the same price?  What if one purchased a twice as expensive Amp+Pre+DAC combo, would you necessarily get 2X the musical quality and experience?  I ask this because I think there are quite a number of folks who believe for the most part, clean, powerful amps pretty much should deliver the same sound, with no significant differences.  Some believe that a pre-amp could improve sound, but perhaps it's due to better impedenace matching at play.  In other words, maybe the dedicated power supply, higher quality inner components, and cleaner circuit and cabling bring some benefit but not necessarily musical experience improvement in direct proportion to the price increase.  And a well designed, modern receiver with modern dac and direct-mode for 2-channel audio can be nearly as good for less money and greater simplicity.  Also, the room settings of modern receivers may also be a distinct advantage of a modern receiver over separates.

Do most of you agree that it's easier to tell the differences between speakers, DAC and sources than it is to tell the difference between amplification sources like recievers vs pre-amp/amp/dac/source combos?  Would there be greater diminishing returns for the money when looking specifically only at receivers vs pre-amp/amp/dac/source combos?

It seems some blind tests conducted found that listeners were hard pressed to tell the difference between amplifiers, or between receivers vs separates.


What are your own experiences?









128x128ethanhallbeyer
I can't answer that question, but Modwright is a small company and everything is hand assembled.  They don't have the economies of scale someone like Marantz would to recover their initial design and machining costs. 

I bought mine used and did not pay $4000 for it, but it's definitely worth every penny I paid for it in terms of sound quality and musical engagement.

I've only looked inside it a couple of times when swapping out tubes.  At the end of the day, what I paid for is the enjoyment I get from it.
@mzkmxcv

I’m currently using the Lyngdorf MP-50 ht processor that supports Dolby Atmos DTS-X 4k HDR etc etc.

The new Marantz AV8805 processor street prices are less than $4k new. But if you purchase it from a dealer it retails for $4500 new. The AV8805 supports all latest formats and codecs eg Dolby Atmos DTS-X Auro-3D 4K HDR etc etc. Also equipped with Airplay and HEOS. The Marantz is loaded with latest features and bells & whistles.

The new Marantz AV7704 processor retails for around $2200 new when purchased through dealers or stores. Its street prices are way less than $2k new. This AV7704 processor supports the latest formats and codecs. Equipped with Airplay & HEOS.

Marantz & Denon are few of AV brands that’s always ahead of the game and early adaptor. They are very quick when adapting new formats and codecs in their AV receivers and AV processors.
@ethanhallbeyer 

big_greg nailed it. He gave you very good basic explanations.