Snake oil came first. By a likely ~ +50k years

geoffkait , It could have been worse , imagine how many demerits you would of got if you were in a military ROTC unit .

I once knew the Admiral in charge of Naval Aviation quite well as he was related to my wife.I asked him why they recruited so much at the Big Ten Universities Engineering Schools which I knew to be the case .He replied: " They are smart enough to learn whatever we throw at them but lack the imagination to picture themselves smashing into the back of the deck during night-ops ."I know he was telling the truth because he was 3 sheets to the wind at the time .

@schubert Good one. We used to call it "Chair Force".

True story. I went to a military college. Had to decide which ROTC to sign up for. I went to each one and asked them how much PT they did. Marines, multiple times a week. Army, every Friday. Navy, once a month. Air Force, once a semester. For a thinking man there was no question about where to go.

@geoffkait The modern USAF have, perhaps, the ugliest and least awe inspiring uniforms in history.

@nonoise The political pseudo-shamans of today are technically what you’d call a bureaucrat. They are, in my opinion, the very opposite of anything even resembling professionalism. They are governed by no principles, ideals or concepts, not even pragmatism, other than the notion that all problems can be solved with more paper work and bureaucracy. In this respect they resemble cancer more than anything else. Currently almost all real power in the U.S. resides with them.

Strange , all Marine candidates are in the Navy ROTC  and they all do the same thing at all drills at college . Usually they split up in summer of 2nd year for month at sea or Marine base .Often , the Officer Commanding will just mark the most aggressive cadets
for Marines .

Hel-loo! Geoffy “Toiletbreath” The Fuse and Snake Oil Troll is just a pathetic janitor suffering from fear of self inadequacy. There is no help or hope for such an unfortunate. Toot toot toot! Get on the self improvement train 🚂 🚂 🚂 Geoffy, if you can. It’s time for new year’s resolutions. 😂 😆 🤣 rpt 😂 😆 🤣