Thinking about upgrading, but wondering about diminishing returns


Hi folks,

I have mostly Conrad Johnson Gear-- LP260M SE mono blocks, with 8 kt120 tubes each.  These are SET amps that put out 270 wpc.  I have the Conrad Johnson  ET5 preamp, with a Telefunken 6922 tube, and a pair of EgglestonWorks Viginti speakers (their new take on the Andra's).  Phono stage is the Pass Labs XP-15.  For source material I have a Rega  RP10 with the Apheta2 cartridge, and the Oppo BDP105 (Modwright upgrades) CD player.  I have Audioquest Colorado interconnects (go easy here :) ) and Audioquest Oaks for speaker cable.  My listening room is 13 x 19, carpeted floor, drywall walls and ceiling (well insulated).  I set up with the equipment on the long wall, with me listening from the 13' side (with speakers in about 2 feet and about 8.5 feet apart).

I listen to a mix of vinyl and cd's; vinyl when I have several hours to listen quietly (and clean the records on the Clear Audio Matrix Pro Record Cleaning Machine).  I listen to CD's when I have less than an hour, and for when I work out.

I am thinking about upgrading a single component, probably my preamplifier, to a Conrad Johnson GAT2 or a Pass Labs XS preamp (solid state). My thought was that this will likely make the most improvement in soundstage, imaging and overall musicality.  A used GAT2 will be at least $14K and the Pass XS used is about $19K.   I am interested in hearing from those who have had experience with upgrades like this.  I am also wondering (as a middle class guy)  how close does this come to the law of diminishing returns?  Finally, is this the component you would upgrade, and if so, if you had a wide range of musical tastes-- mostly classical/full orchestra in vinyl and rock on CD's, which preamp would you select?

Please feel free to take a swipe at these questions, and also feel free to point out if you feel I should be asking different questions that will help increase my knowledge and advance the cause for others.

I am likely to go to an audio show sometime, but please don't suggest that I go and listen to the gear, as that's at least 200 - 400 miles, and I don't feel right about going to a brick and mortar store knowing that I will almost surely buy used.

Thanks in advance for whatever assistance you can provide.


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One other possibility if you do not like the sound you are getting from the RP10 Rega is to change the cartridge? The RP10 has lots of great reviews.. I do not know what you could replace it with..But replacing the cartridge might solve any issue you have. The folks at Music Direct might be one place to talk about what you want that seems to be missing from your RP10 and offer a substitute cartridge?
Go spend $40 on Caig contact cleaner and enhancer, and afternoon cleaning, polishing, and enhancing EVERY connection in your system, and then $5k to my PayPal account for the advice. If you’ve never engaged in said activity, its worth the time and effort. 

Next, experiment with setup / room placement. That’s another $5k of advice. 

Take another $5k down to your local record store and go crazy. 

I know now we love to spend other people’s money, but reinforcement of the basics is sometimes the best advice. 
There is no law of diminishing returns in audio.

One rather inebriated passenger on a plane exclaims to another whilst looking out the window, “Hey, those people look like ants.” The other guy says, “They are ants. We haven’t left the ground yet.”
Like Dorwad said previously, I recommend the Total Contact product. About a half an hours work and I bet you will be surprised and probably amazed at how much improvement can come from one little adjustment. This is a slight bit more that a noticeable change.
Having read most of this thread, and seeing your substantial system, I would concur regarding room treatments being the best allocation of your resources.

I am married to a PhD Economist (Ivy educated - I do like to brag on her 😍) and our mantra is marginal cost versus marginal gain.

The amount of money needed to upgrade your electronics will never come back to you proportionally with respect to the money spent, great current system!

I have a different system in most regards: but respect your choices of equipment and would suggest that quality input sources and of course more spent on Music of your choice is the path to more big smiles!

Enjoy the ride and Never forget the music.