Best multi-purpose subwoofer


Best multi-purpose subwoofer - meaning it fulfills my pursuit for audiophile 2 channel listening and my home theater needs. I have a large TV room 22x22x8 (LxDxH) with floor standing Von Schweikerts VR4 speakers. Room is used both for dedicated 2 channel listening as well as home theater. Unfortunately the design of the room is not the best as it has glass on one side (leading to the backyard) and laundry room behind (meaning its also the family room). Currently I have a 8 inch NHT SW1 old subwoofer which needs an upgrade. The maximum dimensions I can afford on a subwoofer is  15x18x20 (LxDxH). 
As mentioned I want to be able to connect a High Level Input (for 2 channel) and .LFE for HT - so the subwoofer will need to have both. Grace for dedicated listening as well as power for HT. The only time I would consider a larger subwoofer is if it has wireless capabilities so I can place it anywhere in the room. 
Any suggestions on which subwoofer may work best for me? 
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I just found this thread; I don’t check in on Audiogon as often as I should. By far most of my activity is in prosound. I’m the guy who makes the Swarm.

@noble100 , thank you very much for your enthusiasm and excellent explanations.

I would like to comment on something posted by batman1971:

"The storm is just 4 10 inch passive subs running off one 1000 watt amp.
"Its pretty commonly known that 4 subs is an ideal setup for home theater, I would get 4 subs and dsp and could be under the price of storm all day long. And have dsp...."

The home theater guys were introduced to the idea of four subs intelligently distributed by Earl Geddes and Todd Welti (independently of one another). In the Swarm, I’m using Earl’s idea with his permission. My guess is that this idea caught on faster among home theater enthusiasts for three reasons:

1. It gives good results over a wider listening area than one or two larger equalized subs.

2. High-end HT calls for high output at low frequencies anyway, so using multiple subs to achieve that may already be called for.

3. High-end audio guys are generally more focused on the excellence of individual components, so a single uber-sub with exotic woofer technology having extreme excursion capability driven by a high-end amplifier is a lot more "sexy" than four little subs driven by a Parts Express amp.

(Just for the record, I happen to think that shelf-mounted Parts Express amp, the SA-1000, is very good for the money. And the combined motor strength of my four 10" woofers compares favorably to any single home audio woofer on the Data-Bass website as of a couple of years ago, though they were surpassed by the 21" B&C prosound woofer with the 1 ohm voice coil.)

As for price, I have no problem whatsoever with people finding a less expensive solution. Here are a couple of things that might help you get good results:

Imo a good "target curve" for a subwoofer is -3 dB per octave across the bass region, say from 80 Hz down to 20 Hz. This is the approximate inverse of "typical" room gain from boundary reinforcement, which will of course vary quite a bit from one room to another - my point being, try to take room gain into account, giving you one less thing to have to "fix" later on.

Also, you want a fairly steep low-pass filter for a distributed multisub system, especially for any subs that will be closer to the listener than the main speakers. You don’t want audible upper bass/lower midrange energy leaking through those nearby subs and giving away their locations, as that’s distracting.

I wish I knew how to do a far less expensive Swarm that only traded off max SPL capability and maybe some low-end extension, but I simply do not have the economies of scale to do so. The labor to build four smaller boxes is about the same as the labor to build the boxes I use, and the savings in material cost would be minor. It is much less expensive to build one big box than to build four small ones.

One possible way to do a "DIY budget Swarm" would be, four .75 cubic foot Parts Express knock-down sealed subwoofer cabinet kits; four 8" Dayton Audio woofers; and one SA-1000 amplifier.

For those who already have a sub or two, you can add some more, and they don't have to all match. 

For those with fewer budget constraints, imo four Rhythmics would be mighty sweet.

One final note on EQ: A good distributed multi-sub system significantly reduces the frequency response variation from one location to another within the room, such that EQ is much more likely to make a global (thoughout-the-room) improvement instead of merely a local one.

Duke

I have 3 ENTEC subwoofers in one system.  I have them set up as a stereo pair and one in the center as a summed channel.   Since reading this thread I decided to take the center one and place it off to the extreme one side and at a 90 degree angle to my stereo pair.  Well I'll be damned if it didn't make the whole stereo sound more defined.   I can see where the  Audio Kinesis Swarm concept is so well liked by TAS. 

Kink56 wrote: "Well I’ll be damned if it didn’t make the whole stereo sound more defined."

Nice job!

Improved bass smoothness often pays dividends beyond what our intuition would lead us to expect.

Some of this is predicted by the Fletcher-Munsen curves, which bunch up south of 100 Hz. This indicates that the ear has a heightened sensitivity to variations in SPL at low frequencies, as a 3 dB difference at 40 Hz is perceptually comparable to a 6 dB difference at 1 kHz. On the other hand the ear has poor time-domain resolution at low frequencies, so differences in arrival time in the bass region are usually imperceptible. This is good news for the distributed multisub approach.

But I cannot explain the subjective improvement well above the bass region that many people report after making improvements in their subwoofer systems. I hear it too, but until I can offer a plausible explanation my Ministry of Propaganda will focus on other things.

Duke

I don't use subs with my main listening system as my speakers are 3 db down at 20 hz, but I do augment bass for video use and run a pair of the Hsu VTF15H Mk 2 for home theatre use, and agree that they are excellent.  Hard to get  more bang for your buck than that.

Strongly suggest that those who can afford it get a matched pair rather than a single.
Duke/Audio Kinesis,

     Thank you for your unexpected but very informative and interesting contributions to this thread.
     I think many have the somewhat mistaken belief that attaining good in-room bass response is simply a matter of using 1 or 2 subs of a particular, or 'right', brand and model in their systems.  
     My experience is that 1 or 2 good subs can achieve good bass response at one specific sweet spot in most rooms but this results in inconsistent bass response throughout the remainder of the room, heard at various specific spots in the room as bass peaks, nulls and even bass absence.  For those unconcerned with good bass response being restricted to a specific sweet spot, I think 1 or 2 subs properly located can be a satisfying solution.
     The distributed bass array concept of 4 subs properly positioned definitely has the advantage of producing very good bass response throughout the entire room for those that require it. 
     However, I've noticed other benefits to the bass quality that were unexpected that I'm theorizing are only possible due to there being 4 subs dispersed throughout the room and their cumulative affect. 
     My best description is the bass in my room became more agile or flexible in the sense it can faithfully reproduce whatever bass is dictated by the source material, whether it's music or HT.  It can be finely detailed on music that allows for the easy identifying of the different bass instruments being played, following the separate bass lines and also the small changes in pitch, tone and volume of each instrument.  The bass can also be powerful and delivered with sudden impact which helps convey the large dynamics of live music and the low frequency effects on HT.  
     My main point is that a distributed bass array system, whether the Swarm or a custom setup, has more benefits than just good bass response throughout the entire room, it also elevates the quality of that bass to state of the art.  I've never been able to achieve this level of bass quality in my system with 1 or 2 subs.

Tim