Why the facination with integrated amps?


I don’t get it. Is it the manufacturers spotting a trend with the tail wagging the dog or does a significant market segment truly prefer the idea of an integrated?
Pros;
Less space
One less set of IC’s
In theory-one less chassis/case to pay for
Shorter signal paths possible
Can combine transformer/cap function
Cons;
Power supply interference/spuriae
Reduced Flexibility-can’t switch amp or preamp as easily or go to monoblocs
Less resonance control
Long history of lesser performance per measurements and long-term subjective listening
Less resale value if it turns out to be a fad
Less liklihood of an extremely high performing active preamp

I freely admit I am a skeptic. The industry-like so many others-looks for new market niches to move product. 
FWIW, the only integrateds I myself would care to audition would be from Esoteric and Luxman who have a long history of designing no-compromise (low-compromise) high-end integrateds. 

128x128fsonicsmith
Well  my Parasosund A21 2ch amp is 65 lbs. You research the build if you desire but you can't stuff that quality into an integrated…But I have had plenty of integrated also, Onkyo makes up second system, Yamaha is in garage both are 15 years old plus…It's all good and comes down to what you can afford and space available.
bac2vinyl we are a Parasound dealer and the A21 is an excellent amplifier for its price, howerver, a $6k Coda intergrated sounds far superior, then the A21 with the P5  preamp, which would be a $3,500 package, as we demoed that combination vs the Coda CS 1b, and the Hegel and Luxman Integrateds  we had at the time and those pieces, still sounded clearer, just because you have a heavy weight product it has nothing to do with sound quality. 

The A21 and 21+ will deliver a lot of clean power for the price point the higher end gear is more expensive due to parts quality, a Coda CS 1b uses a 3kv tranfomer, vs a 1.2vk transformer in the A21+, that is just one reason why it sounds better. 

Josephep, congratuations on the T+A PA 3000 HV it is an extraordinary integrated amplifier, love to know the rest of your system?

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ 


audiotroy I really like your take!  I started out with receivers, Pioneer, Technics and Onkyo then went to the NAD 3020 integrated when it first came out and really though it was pretty darn good. After that I wanted to try the seperates route. I had Adcom, Cary SLA-80 w/ Audible Illusions Modulus preamp and Blue Circle. pretty nice stuff but still had that hankering for a good integrated and I've been "integrated" since. I've had an Audiomat Arpege, C.R. Developments Kalypso then a step up to C.R.'s Romulus. I then went to SS and tried a Sonneteer Campion which I still have but wanted more power and now have a Primare i30 which is very good match to my speakers so I'm pretty pleased these days.
Here’s my phisological take on this.
Esoteric F03-A

After 35 years in this hobby, I never thought an integrated could sonically match (and exceed) a stack of reference tube electronics that it replaced in my system. This is a feat that would never have been possible for any integrated 10 years ago. 
I have been so impressed that I have no desire to go back to separates. Not in my lifetime!!

Full disclosure....Speakers are Verity Audio Parsifal Anniversary although the Amadis S would mate a little better with this amp but hey, you can’t have everything.

About a year and half ago the wife could no longer take all the cabling and  power cords associated with my tube monos and preamp, not to mention the sub in our family room and for lack of a better term  was evicted out of there  I really didn't have another room suitable for listening so I packed up all the components and purchased a relatively inexpensive pair of active speakers  The Airpulse Mo
del one Phil Jones' latest creation.

  They actually sound pretty good and had a lot of fun with them but I happened to be scouring Craigslist and came across someone locally selling a pair of Platinum Audio Ref 1's and grabbed them.  hooked them up to My Pioneer receiver a vsd x 912 and they sounded really good but seemed to be crying out for more power so I checked the ad someone mentioned here for the Denon PMA 2000 ixvr integrated and the person selling it also happened to be local and will be taking delivery of that as well soon.  These are supposedly known for their high current capabilities and will report back after I get it.   I guess my point is that a  after all this rambling a decent integrated may be a good compromise for  anyone without a dedicated listening room