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The Science of Cables

It seems to me that there is too little scientific, objective evidence for why cables sound the way they do. When I see discussions on cables, physical attributes are discussed; things like shielding, gauge, material, geometry, etc. and rarely are things like resistance, impedance, inductance, capacitance, etc. Why is this? Why aren’t cables discussed in terms of physical measurements very often?

Seems to me like that would increase the customer base. I know several “objectivist” that won’t accept any of your claims unless you have measurements and blind tests. If there were measurements that correlated to what you hear, I think more people would be interested in cables. 

I know cables are often system dependent but there are still many generalizations that can be made.
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itsjustme
91 posts
 
cleeds,

How does it prove nothing when subjects reported substantial differences, which, according to the test, could not have been there?
One cannot prove a negative, we we cannot prove there are not differences, (except maybe the null test), but that  suggests that the mind is having a major influence on reported results.  I KNOW this is true of me which is why i am very careful to listen multiple times under multiple circumstances before i come to a concision....
headache? I hate it. Good wine? I love it. Just sayin'  better to invest in wine maybe

G
teo_audio
932 posts
 
Basically, I pulled my post and left this instead...as this is just an entrenched position thread, where we each lob bombs over the hedge without regard to the damage we do to each other, as we feel threatened in our expression fundamentals. We feel threatened at our core.

The only end point in such things... is where the thread is overly moderated and then shut down.

I'd like to bring the tone down, not tensioned and ratcheted up.
jhills
323 posts
 
@taras22
Not sure how gallium, indium and tin, a semi liquid goop, 1/15th the conductivity of oxygen free copper, is somehow superior to pure grade, oxygen free copper as a conductor for cables. I guess whatever makes a great sales pitch and you can stick the highest $$$ to.
 
While there are a lot of bogus claims of all kinds of miracle insulative coatings and shieldings for audio conductors, in reality, the best material, as an insulator for either data or audio signal conductors, is either PTFE (Teflon) or polyethylene, with as little shielding and protective covers as necessary, for a particular situation.

For audio cables and most everything else, I believe in sticking to the standards of proven technology and performance and the motto of KISS, JMO.......Jim

teo_audio
932 posts
 
Thank you for not being sure. Key point, there.
taras22
236 posts
 
@defiantboomerang

So you piled thru Jackson, congratulations....and solved all the problems, double congratulations. Tough sledding that.

Could you please do us all a big favour and take a peak at the following thread....

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/doug-schroeder-method-double-ic

....and give us your ideas about what all the hub-bub is about.

Thanks in advance.
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