Update: Still Audio EL84 Integrated and three speaker pairings


Hi everyone,

Just thought I’d give you all an update on my Still Audio EL84 integrated amp and my impressions of three speakers that I’ve paired with it so far.  I continue to be extremely impressed by the Still Audio amp.  It has functioned flawlessly and sounds clear, dynamic, dimensional, and engaging.  I’ve been running it with the new production Mullards that came with the amp. I did swap in a set of new production Tung Sol tubes for a comparison.  The Tung Sols were a touch more transparent and detailed, but I ended up preferring the slight warmth of the Mullards.  

I’m running an analog-only system with an Acoustic Signature Wow XL turntable, a Grado Reference Sonata 2 cartridge (4.8mV output), and an Avid Pellar phono stage (48db of gain). With the low-powered (10wpc) integrated and the analog front end I’m finding that I am right at the border of having enough gain in the system.  In fact, I tried a phono stage with 45 db of gain, and it was insufficient.  It seems that 48db is the bare minimum for my current set up.  

I’ve tried three different sets of speakers so far:


1.         Contrast Audio Model One AS3 Reference:  92 db, 16 ohms, -3db @ 36hz

The clarity of these speakers was startling.  Music emerged from a deep silence, and instruments sounded more realistic than with any speaker I’ve ever heard in my room (even more realistic than with my Harbeths, which I didn’t think was possible).  Every small detail was clearly portrayed – light cymbal work, background singers, brushes on drums, subtle vocal inflections, etc.  I often found forgetting the system completely and listening to what the musicians were doing.  

The two drawbacks of the speaker were the ultimate volume levels and the depth of the bass.  Ten watts and a 5.5” woofer simply couldn’t produce enough of a foundation for the music. I don’t need much bass in my room, as most speakers that can produce bass down to about 50 hz are more than enough. I tried the speakers with a 22 wpc solid state amp, and that small difference in wattage provided better bass depth.  Also, I could only generate musical peaks around 80 db at the listening position before the sound started to get a bit shouty and thin.  For most of my listening, however, I was pleased with the sound.  


 2.         Fritz Carbon 7 mk.2:  88 db, 8 ohms, -3db @ 38 hz   

I had read several positive reviews of the Fritz Carbon 7 SE speakers with 8 wpc SET amps, so I decided to give his new mk 2 a try.  The Still Audio amp drove them fairly well at moderate listening levels, but the sound was too warm and lacking some detail.  I imagine these speakers would sound amazing with a good, moderately-powered integrated like the Rega Elex-r or the Belles Aria.  With the Still Audio integrated, however, they just didn’t quite come to life.  At one point, I put on a Metallica record and turned the volume all the way up.  The highest musical peak that I measured at the listening position was only 80db.   


3.         Nola Boxer 2:  90 db, 8 ohms, 39 hz but no -db spec given

I’ve only recently acquired these speakers, so my opinion may evolve over time. With the volume control just below 50%, I am getting musical peaks around 82-83 db, and the sound is dynamic with good bass depth.  This volume level suits my listening habits, and the bass is more than sufficient in my room.  I will give the speakers a couple of weeks of break-in time before reaching a decision, but I don’t anticipate ultimate volume or bass depth will be an issue.   

The Nola Boxer 2 is obviously the best fit of the three I’ve tried. However, I find that I am missing the clarity and realism of the Contrast Audio speakers.  A little more time with the Boxers may sway me as I become more accustomed to their sound.  Contrast Audio makes two other bookshelf speakers – one is a 3-way and goes a bit lower in the bass (93 db, 8 ohms, 32hz @ -3 db), the other has the same drivers as the Model One but has a front baffle that is decoupled from the speaker and is more sensitive (95db, 16 ohms, 36 db @ -3 db).  I may try one of those to maintain the clarity and realism of the Model One and add a touch more volume and/or bass depth.  

I feel like I may have painted myself into a corner with a low powered amp, the need for stand mount speakers, and an analog front end.  There aren’t many stand mount speakers that are efficient enough with the limited power/gain that I have on tap.  Coherent Audio and Audio Note are a bit out of my price range. I haven’t been overly impressed by the Tekton or Zu speakers that I’ve heard.  I may order a pair of the Omega Super Alnico Monitors to give a single driver speaker a try.  But the list of possibilities is pretty short.

I’ll keep you all posted as the Nolas break in and I consider other speakers. I appreciate all the input that you’ve given me so far, and I'm having a lot of fun with this process.  

 

Cheers,

Scott

 

 

 

 


smrex13
Scott, I am quite certain that the Contrasts lack the bass boost you described. I don't perceive my MG-10 as having that either. I do have a SPL meter (Radio Shack) and the Stereophile Test CD which contains a 20-200 hz, 1/3 octave test signal track. Maybe one day I will explore this. For now I will just listen to music, rotating speakers in and out of my primary and secondary systems. Hope to hear back on what you decide to do regarding amplification and speakers.

 
Mike - I'd be really interested to find out the results of the test track on the Contrast speakers if you do the experiment.  I've finally admitted to myself that I need more than 10wpc, so I'm going to put the Still up for sale.  Tough decision, but I'd rather not be so limited in speaker choice.  

I'm going to give the Boxer 2 some more burn-in time with a moderately powered SS amp and see if they are a good fit for my room.  

Will keep you posted.  And if you know anyone who is interested in an amazing 10wpc amp, send 'em my way :)

Cheers, Scott  
Yea, for my funds the SET/speaker combinations that I would like to own would be beyond budget. 

It will be a couple weeks before I will get to testing the Contrasts. I will let you know the results.
Yesterday I paired the Dynaco ST-70 with my Jolida Fusion tube pre and drove the Contrasts. The frequency balance was much improved over using the SYS passive. With the tub preamp I am now getting from the ST-70/Constrast Model One pairing what I was hoping for. 

I have not found what the input impedance of the ST-70 is, however I am not sure that it is a good candidate for use of a passive pre. 
Mike,

Thanks for the update on the Contrasts.  I would imagine that a tube pre in the mix would make a nice difference.  I have a Sys as well, although it's not in my current system.  When I used it before with solid state amplification, I was impressed by the clarity, but the dynamics and overall body of the music was slightly diminished.

I'm still very tempted to try the Contrast Audio Lens with the Still Audio amp.  I listed the Still amp for sale for about a week, but after not getting any offers or questions, I decided to take it down.  It just sounds so good.  The Nola Boxer 2s sound good with the Still at volumes that are just a touch lower than I'd like.  I'm not as impressed by the Boxers as others seem to be.  I have a Rega Elex-r that I'm using with them, and the speakers are a bit veiled and somewhat lethargic sounding (even with the upbeat Rega).  I'm going to return the Boxers and try the Ascend Sierra 2 with the Rega.    

I was excited to see that Mark Still just came out with his tubed phono stage - https://stillaudio.com/phono-stage.  I have one coming this week, and it should be a great match with the Still amp and will likely sound great with the Rega as well.

So, I've kind of got two systems going - the Rega with the Sierra 2 and the Still Audio looking for a suitable speaker.  At this point, I am leaning towards trying the Omega Super Alnico Monitor.  I've read many positive comments from owners of that particular model.  

Will keep you posted on my speaker quest...

Cheers, Scott