So Many Apogees for sale, and so few takers

No Dude there are many great speaker!!

If you gents take issue with someone, it's not necessary to tiptoe around the issue. Name names, we are all adults here. It's OK to disagree with the content of someone's post and equally OK to dislike their delivery or style. Let's not try to be so PC that we cant engage directly.

Bombaywalla, I stand corrected. Unlike certain electrostatics, the Apogees are not capacitive, being a purely resistive load as you pointed out. As far as insensitive, well we'll let the lab tests speak for themselves:

http://www.stereophile.com/content/apogee-duetta-ii-loudspeaker-measurements

Thanks again.

Yes, I agree with much that was said above ...

- Apogees are not WAF friendly
- Apogees are inefficient and need a high current amp capable of driving 3-4 ohm loads
- Apogees are fragile, so shipping them can be an issue, and costly
- Apogees are out of production, and support is minimal and costly
- Apogees are finicky to set up, where 1/4" movements make a big difference

However, Apogees are still one of the best sounding speakers I have ever heard, price be damned. They are more "of a whole" than anything else, because tweeter and woofer are both true ribbons and not a mix of different materials like most other speakers. And unlike most other panels, when amplified properly, they actually have a kick like a cone speaker.

There are some good bargains for sale here. I'm just suprised they are not selling. Adding to the issues above is the bad economy, and the fact that it is summer months, when things generally slow down.

Thanks for participating in the discussion guys.

The aging demographic of high end enthusiasts could have something to do with it too. By the time I could afford a nice 4-dial chronograph I could no longer read the smaller dials. By the time I could afford a genuine WIlson NFL football, I had no kids at home to toss it with. Similarly, pushing 59 I don't have the bandwidth to baby big, heavy, fragile out-of-production speakers that require amps that are comfortable driving 2-ohm loads. Nothing against Apogees, but I'm at an age where I'm trying to simplify and consolidate and still maintain excellent sound.

Fortunately the industry is cooperating. Folded ribbon tweeters are making their way into ever more affordable speakers, and companies such as Monitor Audio are putting very sophisticated light, stiff drivers (e.g., ceramic matrix or layering) into <$1500 speakers. And I heard a $999 Marantz integrated amp that sounded so good I could dump my three-box stack (phono/line/amp) and actually improve my sound quality. Trends like that leave little room for a vibrant Apogee market. Those with the energy to deal with them have probably never heard of them.

And as far as uniform-sounding ribbons go, isn't that what the fuss is about with the Maggie 1.7 and 3.7?

There are a couple other reasons. The Apogee forum is no more. It flamed out about 2 years ago. That forum led me to buy two pairs of Scintillas. Yes I happen to be that crazy! Another reason is that they are very fragile and there is only 1 source to buy ribbons (Graz.) You must also use one of his installers to bring your speakers back to life and that is an expensive proposition especially when you add on shipping.

I no longer have Scintillas but they are fantastic speakers. They take a lot of amp to make them sing.