Linn LP12......That good??

the cost effectiveness of the upgrade itself. Genesis audio here in So Cal quoted $2418.00 for the Lingo/Cirkus upgrade installed. For that and a grand I have a new (not nescessarily better) VPI Scoutmaster w/upgraded arm. I've had no opp's of auditioning either the upgraded Linn or the VPI. I'm just sucking up as much info as possible before buying blindly.

holmejr@cox.net
If you have not read Salvatore's comments on the Linn here http://www.high-endaudio.com/RC-Tables.html, I stongly urge you to do so. I came to the same conclusion about the Linn long before I discovered his site. Nevertheless, this does not mean you should not keep your Linn. It is a musical table and, if you like its characteristic sound, you may not be happy switching to the Scoutmaster (or any other tt for that matter). If you are interested in continuing this discussion, please email me.

Holmejr, I concur with Lugnut about the Ittok arm. Had one on my deck since '83 and I'm running an Akiva on it now. Sounds excellent.

Again, the Circus upgrade is a big one cutting your surface noise in half and improving detail resolution.

An option, the Lingo shows up used on A'gon from time to time without the table. Cheers!

Cleopatra52:
If you find some use in Salvatore's site, fine. But really I don’t see him as someone to be taken seriously - he is just some guy with a blog, a crusty temperament, and no small amount of a persecution complex.

He fits a very recognizable type in audio. The audio professional who has passionate opinions based on highly personal taste (in some cases opinions that are also informed greatly by personal, competitive grudges developed over years in the business) who then sets himself up as some kind of High Priest of Audio Truth. If you have been around even a short while you have run into many of these people, and low and behold, you can find equal passion in equally experienced people representing nearly diametrically opposed views.

Ultimately, you have to trust your own ears, and the ears of people who earn your trust by sharing your tastes - and by acting like reasonable, rational beings. If you have done legitimate comparisons of other tables with an LP 12 and found other tables you like better, fine. I am happy for you. But you do your views little credit by in any way linking them to those of Salvadore. Salvadore’s comments on the LP 12 are dripping with what appear to be best described as his personal issues. He is so wildly unfair in his statements about the LP 12, one concludes he is either simply ignorant or passionate beyond rationality on the subject. For instance, he dismisses the dramatic improvements in the LP 12 with sarcastic reference to “upgrades” upon which no one should waste money. He refers to the LP 12 as essentially nothing more than a successful marketing scam. I could go on. I honestly can’t make any sense of where the man is coming from other than it be from some sort deep set of personal issues (bad competitive experiences as a dealer, I don’t know what). Or, to be as charitable as I can be, perhaps it all stems from passionate personal beliefs about what “the right” sort of turntable design should be. (Of course, abstract design opinions and sonic experience with a real product – i.e. the modern, full spec LP 12, are very different things.)

Again, if you have some use for the man, fine. But you greatly weaken the seriousness of your opinion about the LP 12 when you reference this sort of guy to buttress it.

Here's a catch.......Currently using a Grado Red and have a Shure V 15 III, just bought a nice pre amp last week with a phono stage capable of any cartridge.
So how about i step up to a MC cartridge, well i more bang for the buck doing that rather then replacing decks?
The pre is a Krell KSP-7B......still need a better amp then my Bryston 4B though.