I could not believe it


I was happy owner of pretty decent rig (Supratek+Clayton monoblock+AA Capitole as cdp). One pretty Sunday morning I came across garage sale, guy have 20 years old Fisher turntable for sale (cheap looking extremely dirty unused for 10+ years).
I would not normaly buy it, but for $2 what the heck. I bought it for fun. It took 30 minutes of cleaning, and I connected it to phono stage of Supratek Chenin. I had some LP's at home.
To my surprise it worked. To even bigger surprise it worked so good.
I compared Dire straits and Madonna LP’s with exactly the some albums on CD.
I could not decided which I prefer (CD or LP). I really could not!
Remember we are talking about $8700 cpd and maybe in good condition $30 worth cheesy turntable. It keeps me wonder how much better would sound decent turntable ?
Classical music from Deccca, Deutsche Gramophone, Columbia Masterworks actually scared me. Resolution (there is not congestion I hear on every classic CD) smoothness really scared me. It cannot be so! I could not believe what I heard. Why for goodness sake we have ever embraced CD format, for convenience maybe, not for quality for sure?
generally sound from CD on Capitole have more body, much better bass, dynamics on some audiophile CD’s.
BMG and other normal CD are in comparison to LP’s simply unlistenable.
Classic on CD’s is especially congested and its resolution is not even close to what I heard from LP’s on cheesy Fisher turntable.
There is one but though:
a lot of surface noise especially on older LP’s.

So , analog gurus I'm rookie at the subject but believer now, please give me advice about some decent turntable which besides resolution and lack of congestion would give me even soother and even more detailed presentation, huge dynamics, wide soundstage. And would be quiet without this awful surface noise.

What Turntable would you recommend for up to $3000 used.
I read that pretty good ones are
Nottingham Space Deck w/ space arm
vpi scoutmaster with jmw-9 arm.
How does those two compare, maybe different recommendation.

PS.
I heard on CES $30.000 turntables and they have been awesome, but I have never though that actually cheap turntable could sound that good and actually stand a chance to high-end CDP and on classic beat it in spades.
sorlowski
I can't believe it either, because my rega planar 3 / Goldring 1042 is about equal in sound to my $1000 CD setup, with neither being a clear winner.

Get a real TT and your analog will outperform the digital. Work on noise control and the digital will keep up. Get a high end MM cartridge with a short cantilever/great trackability and the TT will get closer to digital. Switch to a belt drive transport and analog will need catching up--and so on...

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My mother in law, a life-long music lover (with more knowledge of the classical repertoire that I've seen anywhere) ordered (without my knowledge) the Bose Wave, used it for a week and sent it back because it was unlistenable. So I guess 'raving' has multiple meanings.
What's really cool is when you put $8700 into your vinyl front-end then compare that to an equal cost CDP. heh heh. I think it really comes down to a person's willingness to put up with vinyl's ideosyncracies and the additional work it takes. The trade-off is, for me any way, more fun and better sound.

I'll endorse Tfkaudio's comment to get a vacuum record cleaning machine.

As for TT and arm. Send a note to Chris Brady at Teres Audio - he has used models available occasionally - high value for the dollar. A Morch arm is a highly respectible and relatively inexpensive place to start. Another solid choice is SOTA - a STAR or Sapphire is a great starter table. SOTAs tend to work very well with SME arms.

Best of luck!

Tim
Good for you! I own a capitole and a decent table and vinyl kicks its ass.Marketing bullshit has caused all of us to "lose" 30yrs of advancements in analog.
I joined the club a month ago and am quite happy. I am rapidly come to the realization that any decent vinyl rig has 5 parts: TT, arm, cart, phono stage, and RCM. Don't skip the last one. Check out the Vinyl Asylum over on AudioAsylum.com for more comments/opinions on tables, arms, carts, and combinations thereof. There is a strong tilt to discovering new ways to get great vinyl playback for not a lot of bucks there.