Killing sibilance distortion - VPI & Jubilee


Hello,

Along with what others have posted in the recent past, I also have a long running case of nasty distortion on sibilants with my vinyl playback. It is worse in the inner grooves.

To build on some other recent threads about this topic, I ordered a MFSL that is supposed to be a good test for mistracking. I have made a recording clip of my playback playing some of the last track on Side 2.

I have the recording on this link:

Playback Recording

If you take a look at that, we can all be on the same page with what exactly is going on.

The setup is a VPI Scoutmaster table, JMW9 sig arm, Ortofon Jubilee cartridge. The table is leveled on a Salamander Archetype rack. VTA is set with the arm parallel. VTF is set to 2.4g. Alignment is setup with the MINT arc protractor, 10x magnification. The VPI mechanical Anti-Skate is being used, with the lighter rubber washers. Azimuth is level by means of the "VPI straw trick" (a straw in a groove on the headshell).

Is there anyone that can point me in the right direction to fix that sibilance distortion you're hearing on the recording?

I've tried quite a few things, including different cartridges, and VTF, VTA and antiskate settings, but the sibilance is always there.

Here are some photos of my setup:

Cartridge Closeup

Aligning with the MINT

Thanks for reading
by Goatwuss
goatwuss
We know its not a bad LP. Goatwuss has stated he gets similar distortions on many LP's. This one is just the example he chose.

If you have the entry level version JMW then I believe it lacks the fluid damping well that comes on higher models.

IME with the Graham 2.2, damping of the bearing is required with some (most) cartridges to avoid distortions of this kind. The JMW (another unstabilized, undamped unipivot) may be similar. The fact that VPI includes damping capabilities on their higher models may confirm this notion.

Just another thought to throw in the mix...
I owned the original VPI Aries and the first JMW arm with a Benz L0.4. I had no such issues. I would have dumped it if that had been the case.

Wendell
Hi guys,

Jaytea - Yeah, I hear it too. The vocals get harsh when they get loud. I've just kind of assumed it is related to the same issue that's causing the sibilance.

"If you have the entry level version JMW then I believe it lacks the fluid damping well that comes on higher models."

This is actually the JMW9 signature, so it does have the fluid damping.

I'm shipping off my arm, the AK album, and my Benz and Ortofon carts to Mike at VPI for testing today. I'm crossing my fingers that we can come up with some answers!
Hi,
this question is actually directed at Doug, who has had some more extensive exposure in this area.

Changing and by-passing some more caps in my x-over has clearly resulted in a more time-coherent, more on the point, or tighter sound of my speakers.

Sibilants, according to one source, is (treble) information out-side of the time envelope.
So far we looked at ~ **source** only for the solution.
Would you be able to confirm that a x-over might be at least part of the problem here?
Axel
Sibilants, according to one source, is (treble) information out-side of the time envelope.
First, lets get our terms straight. "Sibilants" is the plural of "sibilant", which is a word for the sound shared by the letters "s", "sh", "z" and "zh" (in English), plus a few others in other languages. Producing or reproducing sibilants without stridency, distortion or harshness may be challenging, but sibilants don't necessarily include any of those problems. They're just a type of vocal sound.

"Sibilance" is an adjective meaning, "sounding like a sibilant". It too does not necessarily imply unpleasantness, though it’s more often used so. Your source probably meant to write, “Sibilance [distortion] is treble information out-side of the time domain.”

With that I mostly agree. Time-domain errors are the major cause of distorted or harsh sibilants. (Another is exaggerated amplitudes, which leads to stridency.) We’ve discussed speed control of the turntable, slewing distortions in the phono stage (or anywhere in the amplification chain), cartridge overhang, zenith angle and VTA/SRA. All these directly affect reproduction of waveforms in the time-domain.

I also agree that capacitors (in the crossover or elsewhere) affect time-coherency. Anyone who’s done a cap upgrade has probably heard this. It’s impossible for capacitance to occur without a time delay, but the better the cap the less delay there’ll be. Best of all is to eliminate capacitors completely, when feasible.

Another source of high frequency time-domain errors is the insulation of wires in the signal path. If the insulator in contact with a conductor has a significant dielectric quotient it can act as a micro-capacitor for the frequencies it’s in contact with. Now in any electrical conductor it’s the high frequencies (like sibilants in the 8-10kHz region) that travel at or near the surface, ie, near the insulator. Since teflon and other typical insulators are poor conductors (obviously), they induce spurious time delays in those frequencies.

The cure is to use wire that does not put materials in contact with the conductor. Interconnects and speaker cables with an air dielectric (or, theoretically, a vacuum) produce audibly clearer, less distorted highs. (If that sounds like a plug for Nordost it is, because it works.)

The speed and linearity of the tweeter also influences sibilant reproduction. My old B&W Nautilus aluminum tweeters were unforgiving. Everything else in the system had to be perfect or they could split your ears. The new diamond tweeters are faster, more linear and more revealing, but paradoxically more forgiving. They distort so much less that distortions coming to them from elsewhere in the signal path are not exaggerated. A good ribbon tweeter is even better.

The opposite approach, soft dome fabric tweeters, tames sibilants by smoothing each waveform and reducing amplitudes. This is a different kind of time domain distortion, similar to what Koetsu does in cartridges, but if it’s well done it can produce kinder, gentler highs. Not my cup of tea, because at the end of the day it conceals musical information, but it’s an approach used by many very popular speakers.