Phasured to Life NOS1


So I had the Lampizator Gen 4 L5 Vcaps with DSD.
So the game here is Gen 2/3/4 and late Gen 4. Have to have D caps and Lamp DSD and only Lamp DSD. So I am a loser as I never heard Lamp L5 because Ming Su the ex Distributer for Lamp installed the DSD. LOL. Marketing BS and many fall for it. Change a wire here there and move this around and bingo Gen 32.

Ok so this Lamp guy is the best digital I ever heard. Natural organic realistic and draws you into the music. If you own a Lamp you are sitting really good on the digital tight rope.

Something is missing still. What was it? Noise and distortion and color was all there but sounded great. Tubes are glorious !!! Big soundstage . Musically convincing.

What's this Phasure guy doing on the outer skirts of this digital playback world? Read up and the bugs in the software XXHighend was a no go for me. I like push and play!!!

So this chap in Australia is beating me to try Phasure. One year of his talk and I just passed him by. Then one day!! Yea one day I did it. Stupid computer dude me ordered the full Monty. Phasure NOS1 computer and XXHE. It all goes together you know.
So I am told that this PeterSt guy is kool and helps out plus 90 days to try out. I pull the $$$ trigger.

Everything comes in 4 days?? Yes it does.

So how does it do next to Lamp??

No color

No distortion

No noise!! I mean the noise floor is zero. Gee I like that. Lamp has a colored sound to it. Distortion and noise out of the A$$ it does.

So are there bugs? Yes but there is Peter right on it. No two day wait to hear from him. How about within 45 mins. he is there. I would say I was/am his biggest PITA buyer but then again he likes the reward of Phasure users being knocked out with his stuff.

So now I am in Unattended mode for the first time where SQ is now way above Lamp. This mode shuts down the computer to doing nothing. Now it is a music playback that is truly a must have for me.

I will keep this short and sweet. Phasure full Monty rocks out big time and has far exceeded my expectations.

If you are looking for that breakthrough digital playback machine then go out and lay down the coin and try out one of the best Dac software computer going. Phasure NOS1 is the real deal boys and girls!!
128x128glory
'I take it from your answer that it was felt that the Phasure was "benefiting" from the Preamp. And that without the Preamp the Phasure would be rated lower'

No.

All DAC's benefited from the pre effect.

We would have liked to check all DAC's without the pre, but, since all experienced the effect what I think the most likely outcome would have been they all have maintained their relative position, but simply didn't sound as good.

Of course the Phasure may have been the best, or the Killer was a lot better than the Phasure instead of it being a personal preference, or the order may have been reversed, all sorts of things are possible. There is no way of knowing.

Also there is the issue of personal preference. There is obviously some kind of euphonics going on with the pre. To me its subtle and I couldn't get a grip on it, but some may simply not like it.

Thanks
Bill
Thoughts on HF and more ramblings

We all know some individuals do not hear higher frequencies properly to some degree. Some aware of it some not. Naturally in many of these circumstances one may put extra emphasis or importance on the mid-band frequencies.
Maybe in some cases he "prettier" this mid-band artificially is, maybe the more this would compensate for the lack of our ears processing high frequency as they should. Of course there are always many factors but i am sure this is one of them in some cases.
Many of us think we have good hearing. But do we?

Blood type: If you happen to have the less common rhesus negative blood(this means so much more too) then my bet is that you are the most likely to appreciate something like NOS1 even more. Maybe not much more in most cases but it could be a factor. There may actually be reasons for it.
I wont go too much further into this topic but one of my research interests is blood/blood typing and how blood type and rhesus factor dictates many processes in our body even affecting our senses. Good general health topic too!

Some say people with rhesus negative blood, especially if type O as well, will more likely have the best HF hearing. Especially if we are in good health eating organic food and not so full of chemicals etc. If any of this is true, and i believe it is, then it may help shine extra light on why we all seem to hear things different in this hobby.
(PeterST and myself both happen to be negative type O btw)

Consider other modern day human variables such as heavy metal toxicity, bacteria over-growth or systemic effect, sinus, pineal gland health(fluoride build up disconnecting our awareness)of course age etc etc can all play a part to some extent.

Personally i can not listen to any component or cable or anything which noticeably truncates or destroys HF.
One of the reasons i use a quality Space Tech Labs variable sine wave Schumann resonator in my room as well. Way better than the more common AR77 unit. Anything to help those delicate HF`s from being negatively affected in any way.

As we get older we lose our HF hearing at different rates. It's not really that you can't hear the HF. It's that you can't hear them as well. So, when you were 30 you didn't need to turn up the 16,000hz slider, now you might. By making the highs LOUDER, you bring back the sound you used to hear. But of course we don`t want to use typical EQ in out systems for obvious reasons so now we limit ourselves thus make things a bit more complicated.
Hearing HF positively effects our hearing of any frequencies bellow. Of course including the all important mid-range.
I did some experimentation a while ago with a few people. This involved NOS1 and some very nice Tonian Labs Ribbon super tweets using well burned in Russian SSG-3 Silver Mica caps. Also had them easily set-up to change the X-over point and attenuation.
Results proved very interesting. Even opinions regarding how their impressions on mid frequencies changed.
Add something like upper tier Teo liquid and minds were almost boggling. These people were novice listeners.

Yea NOS1 surely does invite us to hear what is really going on up there. It is as clean, real, extended as they come. Something that most components never get right.
The design then is usually compromised.

And for the record i am NOT in any way suggesting any of you guys who think NOS1 may be lacking something have impaired hearing to any degree. Just putting some alternate thoughts out there for us to think about or at least keep in mind which may explain some of our diversity.

IMO NOS1 not only has pure HF but has very pure mid-band - lower frequency as well.... regardless whether some of us can hear HF`s properly or not. Once again i believe proper set-up and even tuning is key to really hear what this DAC can do in any given individuals system.
Nine times out of ten anyone who thinks NOS1 is lacking anywhere is just not hearing this DAC at it`s best at all due to inappropriate set-up. Yea yea yea?...... well yea!
Once everything is set-up using properly configured XXhighend(very important) and some complimenting high end computer(Peter`s is best obviously)and then settled properly. Enable unattend mode... well... those of you who know.... KNOW.

It seems people may also underestimate the effects of XXhighend configuration. Personally Peter configured my whole XXcomputer and i havn`t touched the settings. Not only do i not really know what i`m doing but it just sounds so right that i have zero desire at all to mess with it.
Guys please try to set this DAC up as it is intended as much as possible then give it some time to settle and keep an open mind for variable factors before passing too much of a judgement.
This is a very special DAC and needs to be respected as such!
And to you tube guys or guys that may have doubts over NOS1 mid-range or harmonic ability and think tube output stage or adding more unnecessary electronics is the only answer ... i dare you to try tuning NOS1 with upper tier Teo liquid.
Well, as Gary will attest to i`m sure, it`s not really necessary especially if everything is set up properly but boy oh boy there really is some magic with this pairing!
I will add more comments on this in another post inc a few comments Gary Emailed me regarding NOS1 and Teo(cable i loaned him).

So there`s possibly some reasons NOS1 or w/e equipment wont always sound quite the same to everyone.

Then again if what i read and understand is true. And I`m sure it is. Every person who has had the opportunity to visit Peter at his home of recent times in the Nether regions that hear his system with full Phasure set up correctly.... well.... all apparently leave in the same mind-set - Best sound ever heard on any audio system regardless. Always the word unanimously is "best".
So if Peter`s gear truly is set up correctly in a tuned system our own limitations logically would become less of a factor.

Technically this DAC is very correct IMO.
NOS1 is accuracy and neutrality personified. And this was the full intent of the design. Peter`s whole design concept and part selection(which some have knocked)is based on that.
What a way to set a solid component foundation for any high end system. What potential now beckons too.

If Peter wanted to build a SOTA colored tube DAC or tube output stage etc then he would no doubt have excelled here too. But he has no interest in doing so. I totally understand this now as a former tube lover and owner of very high end tubed gear. Also had NOS1 hooked up to what i considered to be a great add on tube output stage - Space Tech labs tube buffer103. Designed with Short signal path and all point to point wiring etc. Intent being to instill big tube sound with some gain and with least interference. Around 3K worth of many rare NOS tubes later(large and small) the combo of Teo direct to amps quickly rendered this very nice tube buffer for sale. I, like Gary, am now simply not interested in bottles touching my front end gear any more.
I have gone one further and refuse to have them anywhere in my system at all. Teo liquid is much better option IMO.

Another thing regarding HF - I am a self confessed cable enthusiast as many of you know. I can very confidently say right now that AC or power cables are the biggest offenders here(HF and beyond) so anything to do with AC should be one of the FIRST things upgraded in a system. No one will ever convince me otherwise.

I have about 15K(used market value) currently invested in select AC after years of buying selling and upgrading from street to components PSU. I could not put a total figure on it all not to mention all the time and effort. No regrets here either.
I'm no way alone. Many audio guys are exactly the same.
Our organic cookie man, Gary, is of similar mind-set.

Everything is about the source and AC is the true source.
I remember when i was younger. My first serious system had about 4K(used market value) worth of components, vintage modified Kef speakers, Marantz and NAD silverline components, but about 6K(umv) worth of power cabling. Many who heard this system were gobsmacked. I have very very fond memories of this system and still have most of it here collecting dust.

Anyway here is a quote i read a long time ago which interested me and inspired to research this area a bit further -

"no, humans can't hear the actual frequencies above the 22khz mark or closely thereabouts.
but the presence of those frequencies in a given sound does interact with the other frequencies in the audible range, performing as it were a bit of frequency modulation on them, which has the result of creating resonant bands of additional frequencies that "fill out" the sound in the audible range.
But this is just for me armchair speculation - I have no handle on the actual science. But of one thing I'm convinced - psycho-acoustics is a young science that has proven to be full of surprises, and the smart money is on the assumption that further surprises are in store as the field develops."

Quantum mechanics - "the conditions of any observation effect the outcome of the observation."
I think some of you know where I`m going with this one....


NOS1 and Teo going strong.

Firstly, I have been meaning to write a review on NOS1 DAC here on Audiogon for a while but never got around to it.
My friend Gary beat me to it here. Well that`s not hard considering i get abducted all the time lol

So I decided to just add some more thoughts here in Gary`s thread.

Yes i realize i`m no doubt looked as one of those "over the top Phasure guys" or a "Phasure w**ker" and i`m content to wear those labels. As i`m sure most other NOS1 owners are.

From my experience tuning a full monty and optimally set up NOS1 front end fully addresses comments such as "lacks warmth" or being "emotionally bland" or "lacking harmonic richness" or "lacks life" etc or even "too neutral" ......... Too neutral????
I hope some people really take note of this point.

Guys such as Gary(Glory) who btw is the only other guy i know of with a similar NOS1 set up as myself using Teo liquid. He uses other similar SOTA cables and isolation too.
One of Gary`s last thanking comments to me after getting rid of his latest lampi tube DAC setup -
"i owe you big time" and "you are da man" no PeterST is da man. But of course i appreciated Gary`s words whole heartedly and i was very glad, even kinda proud, to have helped persuade him to buy the full NOS1 bundle.
Only took a year and 101 long Emails hay Gaz lol
I talked my butt off convincing this yankee cookie muncher to get rid of lampi and buy full Phasure set up.

Teo liquid.
My preferred method of "tubing" NOS1 up.
I`ve mentioned Teo many times. Something like Teo is still quite a unknown in mainstream audio. Especially away from the US and Canada. Such a wonderful mate for such a accurate front end. Heavenly match! Beats adding electronics to the chain IMO. And how.
Almost like divine liquid simplicity.
Just 1 upper tier Teo IC in itself IMO erases virtually all possible concerns as mentioned above.

NOS1 and Teo is such a special pairing. Yes there is now more warmth(of the good kind)delicacy, harmonic bloom, richness of timbre..... what natural timbre!, decay , naunce, weight, beautiful detailed lushness yes lushness whilst somehow losing NONE of NOS1 well known unrivaled attributes. If anything these are somehow slightly enhanced too. All these enhancements are pure sophistication.
Not exactly huge but that depends on ones perspective.
Basically a welcome added bloom of beauty and articulation to all instruments and voices now set in a larger dimensional stage. Enhancement in the ways many of us crave and yet, most importantly, allowing accurate NOS1 to breathe!! No tube euphonics here. Tube magic yes. No ifs or buts. Everything just sounds real!
And as Gary has mentioned - NO added CDN color noise distortion. This is of course even more noticeable when NOS1 is on a good platform.
So natural and full of vibrant life. Never fake or fuzzy.
As Gary states after i send him Teo
" Pete,
Great move !!!!
Teo/Phasure heaven's sound.
OOTB and cold it sounded stellar!!! Tubes with no noise/distortion.
How much you want for your XLR MM2?"

Only thing is havn`t decided is whether i like NOS1 with or without Teo for some rock and heavy metal music.
Ok upper tier Teo liquid is one of the most esoteric expensive cables available and just about never available on the used market but if guys out there are interested in modern day SOTA cables to impart that tube magic to your precious accurate source without any added CDN well this is the ticket as far as i`m concerned. Gary will attest.

If you wanted to do something wild with your tube gear then i recommend Rick Schultz new line of magnetic cables.

When Peter/Bert 114db `high pressure` Orelo MkII speakers arrive.... maybe cables like Teo won`t quite be appropriate anymore in the full Phasure system.
Doubt it but who knows my mind is open.

I would just like to add that from all the experimentation and auditioning we have done here involving endless nights serious listening with familiar albums became clear that NOS1 proved just very very right.
The moment i heard full monty NOS1 my ears and everything inside told me - gee this thing is really worth seriously building a system around.
Things have just grown from there. Such as adding Teo and SST and Elrod etc.
Oh and a few people have asked me about NOS1 burn in time. For me i think it was about the 2 month mark i stopped noticing improvements after constantly playing.
Also leave mine on 24/7. Not good to turn off IMO.
I notice sometimes a whole day for things to sound the same again.
Cheers
Nice NOS1 review here for those interested.
http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=2892.msg30505#msg30505
Oh i forgot to include in my first post - what about room acoustics?
This always effects things including HF to a large degree. In my room it seemed like the main thing effected.
Then if we are maybe not hearing HF very well anyway, for one reason or another, room acoustics will obviously make things even worse. Obviously in some rooms certain individuals will be affected even more(considering my first post suggesting more variables) changing their perception of the components/component or w/e.
What a fun hobby!

Hopefully i wont have to worry about room acoustics too much when my Orelo MkII`s arrive as with these speakers there is much less room interaction such as standing waves.
In effect these speakers could potentially be saving us so much $ outlay time effort etc messing with room treatments.
Peter elaborates on these speakers and `standing waves` etc in a few threads such as the one below, as only he can.

This is a old thread regarding the original Orelo high pressure speaker design from a couple years ago.
http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=2283.0
Peter/Bert`s design has come a long way since then with the Orelino and recent birth of Orelo MkII which are still improving to some extent. Still a interesting read though.

For those who havn`t read this thread regarding Peter/Bert Orelino speakers at X-fi show http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=2708.0
See the effects of room acoustics totally messing up HF here.
There were a few major problems in this room apparently inc mains supply.
Still this room apparently was one of the best of show and some indicating still their favorite room.
This says allot for this speaker design and of course the rest of Peter`s gear IMO.

Anyway, i do notice a wind of change starting to sweep the shores.... or should i say..... phashores.
Great stuff Peter!
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