New to seperates...need suggestions


Current equiptment: Denon avr 2800, integra dvd, polk bookshelf, velodyne sub. Trying to integrate ht with music and want to upgrade to a power amp. Am currently looking at Citation 7.1, monarchy audio se 100, belles 150a, Mccormack dna .5 with revision a upgrade, and ati 1502. Large price difference from Citaion @950.00, monarchy @825 new and 699 minor blem with 30 day warranty, no price on Mccormack yet(expect >$1000), to the ati @530. Ht sounds fine but music is flat with muddied detail. Want to have a sense of feel and airyness that is lacking. At lower volume all dynamics are lost. No seperation or soundstage. Will eventually upgrade speakers but for now would like to get all I can from current speakers and have what I need to drive future upgrades. Thinking about Maggie mmg and Saphire III le. Any thought on these amps concerning what I am hoping to achieve? Have read the reviews but no way to demo locally so am hoping to get insight from more experienced.
Thanks
Steve
scoly
Scoly, I have to disagree with a previous post that recommended you upgrade your speakers first. You've already tried that and got your answer, I think. If you have anything to spend, spend it on a better amp and preamp. Buy used if you have to, to get better sound. I have Acurus 125 x 5 and Act 3 for home theater (upgraded from a Pioneer Elite receiver) and am dazzled by the improvement on CDs just playing in two-channel. The differences you are looking for--liveliness, detail, air--are there on music even though my speakers remain small Boston Acoustic monitors (VRM-60's). The Acurus is cheaper than a lot of stuff, but not dirt cheap, even used. Sell your Denon for as much as you can, and use the proceeds, plus anything else you can scrape together, for a good amp and preamp combo. You can change your speakers later, they really should be the LAST to go, in my experience and opinion.
Sarah
Scoly, there are lots of people who love the B&W's, but I had the same experience that you did. They just didn't do it for me. Maggies on the other hand, well I just can't be objective about them because I love them so much. The nicest thing about the MMGs is the in-home trial period.

However, I think that given your current amplification, you won't get the maximum out of the Maggies either. The above advice to ugrade via used separates is good advice, just remember that there is no such thing as too much power when it comes to driving Maggies. You'll be floored at how good they sound matched up with quality electronics and adequate power.
Sorry to follow on, but the dealer's advice that an amp would make a bigger difference than choice of speaker ... well I hope that you were wearing hip waders. That has never been my personal experience, nor have I heard anyone make that claim, at least with a straight face. Maybe someone here will make a liar out of me.
I use a Levinson 23 for right and left and a Proceed AMP-3 for center and rear and am very happy with my theatre sound.
As an owner of a McCormack DNA 0.5 Rev. A I can say that it can provide all the air, soundstage depth/width, dynamics, transparency, detail, etc. you could want. Put simply, it gets out of the way of the music and presents the performance in a clear, neutral, and natural way. The most amazing thing is how it lets individual instruments/vocals pop out in an almost 3D panorama from a silent, black background. I don't have direct experience with the other amps you mentioned, but I wouldn't disagree with many others who have called McCormack's Rev. A amps among the best available at any price. I'd be surprised if you can find one for less than $1500, so that may be a consideration.

Since you don't seem to have the ability to try before you buy, I'll submit that I've been running Soliloquy 5.3 floorstanders($2k/pr.) with my 0.5 and am experiencing all the attributes you seem to be after. The speakers become disconnected from the sound and the performance just appears in my listening room--in short, you forget you're listening to any equipment at all. If you need stand mounted speakers you might consider the Soliloquy 5.0s. As a comparison they convey much more of the air, life, and soul of the music relative to the B&W 805s while also going deeper into the lower octaves(I was able to do an extensive A/B comparison between the two). The 5.0s also run $1k/pr., about half that of the 805s. The 805s are obviously great speakers, but for my taste they sound a bit dry and analytical.

The Maggies you're considering are great speakers, but as mentioned above you need to let them dictate the amp as they are very power/current hungry. You also need a lot of space for them to open up as they are sensitive to placement near walls. That said, the Soliloquys also need some room to breathe to let them sound their best.

Lastly, I'd strongly recommend considering a high-quality 2-channel preamp with a home theater pass-through feature for stereo listening. If your 2800 has preamp outs this will allow you to continue to use it for movies/surround music but use the stereo preamp for critical 2-channel listening. A couple recommendations would be the highly-acclaimed Adcom GFA-750 or McCormack RLD-1. Combining either of these preamps with the DNA 0.5 Rev. A would be a huge step toward a truly high-end system that would obliterate the haze you're experiencing through your A/V receiver. If you prefer tubes you could look at Sonic Frontiers, Rogue, or PSE preamps, which also have pre/pro pass-through features. Just a thought--best of luck.

Tim