Teres/Scheu-Help

TWL. I would only recommend a Scheu over a Teres because of my experience with a Teres, which is obviously different than yours. I have no experience with a Scheu. Never seen one. I can barely spell it. I only said that I would recommend buying directly from Scheu instead of buying unsupported product from audio advancements not because I have experience with Scheu but because it makes sense. I also am not alone in my experience with the Teres either. I am sure you have heard from the detractors of the table in the past. BTW, my Teres was not a kit. I also said that if I was looking at a table like the Scheu or Teres (design) I would go with the Scheu. Not because I know the Scheu, but because I know the Teres.

In retrospect, I suppose I'm just as guilty of what I accused you of which isn't right or what I'm about. I just get riled up when I think someone is going overboard with promoting a product and whom might have a financial interest in it. If its just pure enthusiasm theres nothing wrong with that. People want suggestions, ideas, recommendations, and a productive, open discussion that present different ideas and options so they can hopefully make some sort of good suggestion. Some may prefer one tt over another - its as simple as that. People just need to realize that just because every tom dick and harry say the Teres is the best tt at some price point doesn't mean its true and it needs to be stated that its not true. Anyway, sorry if this seemed like a personal attack. I'll keep the challenges totally objective in the future.

Bmckenney,
You obviously have some personal agenda and chose to hijack Rlmm's thread to throw a public temper tantrum. That was regrettable. If you anything to share regarding the tables Rlmm asked about I'm sure he'd like to hear it. I doubt he or anyone else wants to hear personal assaults.

Rlmm asked for "ideas". That is what Twl offered and he made that perfectly clear. If we could all drop in to a dealer for a TT side-by-side then we all would. But we can't, so we come here to share ideas and experiences. No one does that as effectively and helpfully as Twl, and he always makes it clear when he's speaking from experience and when he's speaking theoretically.

Rlmm,

Like Twl and Bmckenney I've only heard a Teres (my 265). Other than that all I "know" is what I read online. I have directed people to both Teres and Scheu in the past, depending on their needs, location and budget. I've talked new owners through issues and questions with both lines. No one who's gone either way based on my suggestions has ever been unhappy AFAIK. IOW, both companies make good TT's, both companies are less than perfect (like any other) and both companies stand behind their product.

Which Teres model would "beat" a Scheu Premier 2? I can only speculate but I'd expect a 245 or higher would. A 150 or 160 might, especially a 160. A 135 might or might not. I'll elaborate on my "reasoning" if you wish, but keep in mind it's based entirely on theorizing.

I posted this on another Teres related issue.

I received information from Hart at Audio Advancements in the past ten days that Hart just received 11 new Premier Mk II kits from Scheu. In other words, Audio Advancements continues to have a current relationship with Scheu. I specifically addressed your concern, Bmck, about getting a non current Scheu and only helping to clear out discontinued product, with Hart.

I would urge anybody contemplating a Scheu or Teres, or any other expensive table, to contact Hart. Hart sells several tonearms including the very attractive Morch and will set it all up for you prior to purchase. Hart also seems very knowledgeable and interested in a happy customer mostly as opposed to making a sale.

So rather than relying on hearsay from people with no direct and current advice you might contact Hart and/or Scheu. Herr Scheu will respond to your queries, too. The Scheu can be ordered from Germany or Hart/Audio Advancements. I think you only get instructions in German, though, if you order from Germany. Shipping costs go up, too, as this is a heavy item.

Carl

Hey guys, Rlmm here. I really appreciate all the discussion on the TT ideas, however, I certainly hope this discussion does not put one at odds with another. This is supposed to be an honest and informative discussion and while I VERY MUCH appericate everyone's time, I hate to see this heading in the wrong direction. All that said, let me share a bit of information to all of you that is more recent updated information regarding pricing and other issues I have some concern about. I checked this out myself.

1st, current pricing on the Premier II buying direct, including freight, is much less than through a US dealer such as Audio Advancements. This is not surprising of course.
2nd, It clearly states on the Scheu website and in Germany to deal directly with them as no current dealers exist in the US, and potential customers are directed to them for this purpose. I'm not sure what the relationship is between Scheu and Audio Advancements. It may be just fine but this might be of concern to some.
3rd, It seems to me to be a difficult comparrison to make between the two models, Teres/Scheu, because Teres has so many models to choose from, a nice thing to have available but lots of decisions and choices to make. I realize this makes sense from an upgrade point of view.

So, I'm still in a state of indecision only because any good honest evaluations on the Scheu did not seem to come forward, but some very positive comments regarding the Teres units. Perhaps a good sign, but a little more info on the benefits or shortcomings of the Scheu would be illuminating.
Rlmm.