About the EMM Labs DAC

Any DAC/transport combo that is clock-linked (master/slave) will eliminate jitter in the same manner, AFAIK.

He certainly *can* enable DSD outputs on other players - the SCD-1 being one of them... but clearly he chose the SACD-1000 for the aforementioned reasons (space inside, availability) and probably also due to the fact it's fairly cheap (inexpensive) and easy to come by at the time, plus it being a 6-channel machine too of course. Had to standardize on something -that was probably the best compromise @ the time. Good to hear they are OEM'ing something new though - SACD-1000 even at its best is a mediocre transport from a build quality standpoint. Combine that with the common congenital defect(s) known to exist with it (which are supposedly sorted out and fixable now...) and a new Meitner transport is almost a must, to continue selling DACs.

-Ed

First off to these ears I have yet to hear anything better than the Meitner combo. I was told that they went with the Philips 1000 because of the drive and that its successor used an inferior one plus Ed liked these drivers better than the Sony's. I have had my combo since last summer with not a problem on the 1000 and I use mine several hours a day. I guess I am lucky. It is also nice to be able to have them several feet apart (as long as that ATT glass cable is) if you need too, as it is the only cable other than the power cord.

Like Panorama I have had no problems with my transport. I've had mine on for the last 3-4 weeks, 24/7 with no problems at all. With the MACE chip update all problems with the SACD1000 are gone, this upgrade is performed when Emm labs modifies these units. I knew of all the problems with the Philips players before I bought one, but trusted the experts when they say confidentally that the problems are fixed. I have not heard of a Philips failure when the player has the MACE chip. Rumor has it that the new transport will resemble the DCC2 more so then the other studio gear(DAC6e, DAC8, switchman, etc..), and that alone may make me want to change, in the mean time I don't think I am "roughing it" with the Philips.

Ed- I can't seem to figure out why you have such a hard on against Emm Labs, when you've acknowledged you haven't heard it yet. When you do you will understand why NO one who owns it cares about the Philips, it sounds so good why waste any time worrying when you could be listening! :o) It just seems the only folks who seem to care about the fact that the SACD1000 is used are those who don't own it or haven't heard it. Do you think folks like Fmpnd, Panorama, Mikelavigne, Mes, Gladstone, Rsbeck- just to name a few- would have a second rate component in there absolute state of the art systems if it wasn't the "real" deal? Just food for thought.

Are you saying that this cheap modified Philips with EMM Labs DAC beats in CD mode Wadia 861 or Accuphase 75V players?
Asking only about CD playback.

Sorlowski,

I have stayed out of all these EMM posts until now as I really would rather be listening than trying to "convince" anyone else of anything. Before getting to my point let me first say that, as one of the first EMM/Philips SACD owners, I did experience some problems with the Philips SACD-1000 (as many did) and EMM corrected the problem.

Now, since you seem sincere in your question, I thought I would chime in because all I was really interested in when looking for a new digital front end a year ago was Redbook playback (and considered any benefit of SACD a bonus). Now realize that the following opinion is ONLY that - an opinion - and is based on MY tatses, MY system and associated gear (and its synergy or lack thereof), MY room and MY preferences (gee, I guess I have pretty much qualified the HELL out of my opinion to the point of leaving it all but useless unless you know me or have heard my system) - oh well, here goes anyway:

I put the Philips/EMM up against an Accuphase 75V, a Wadia 860 [not the 861] (with GNSC upgrade), an Audio Aero Capitole MK-II (with the P-934,743 chip - LOL!), a Linn CD-12, a Sonic Frontiers T3/P3 and a Cary 306 - IN MY SYSTEM -- and, for me, the EMM won the battle convincingly. I should admit that with a few of these players, they were on short loan for only a few hours from friends or dealers. I REALLY did NOT want to like the EMM because I wanted to stick with a one-box unit. I was also not in any way biased toward any one piece - I just wanted the best sound I could get in my system.

The EMM/Philips combo, TO ME, and to a couple of my friends, had better resolution and detail and yet was so much less "digital" and mechanical sounding. Trying to get the Nth degree of resolution and detail while also getting an effortless, relaxed and non-fatiguing presentation has always been my goal but getting those qualities, I have found, is not only a very difficult task, but many times is mutually exclusive with many high end products. The EMM Labs gear, assisted by my associated gear and my room treatments, has finally allowed me to reach my goal - with REDBOOK CD (which I listen to at about a 100 to 1 ratio over SACD).

Were all the other players weak or bad? No, just not as natural with as much detail and resolution and that spelled joy for me. But, as always, YMMV.

I hope this helps. If you are ever in the Metro Detroit area, drop me an e-mail and stop by for a listen.

Frank

PS- a couple of very nice guys from the Gon stopped over a few weeks ago specifically to hear the EMM stuff . These guys have been around audio a LONG time, have heard it all and are still peripherally associated with the high end business. I told them that I did not want to do the typical "audiophile dog and pony show" where I play only a select few discs that make MY system sound the best. Instead, I told them to bring THEIR reference discs so they might be able get a handle on any differences. I sat them down, left the room and turned em loose. The one gentleman has a Sony SCD-1 (I don't recall if it is a modified unit). I noticed they were shaking their heads so I figured they didn't like it. Went I went in the room, the one gentleman said he never thought he'd say this but the CD he played was "perfect" and didn't know where it could be improved. The other gentleman said he had heard this CD a gazillion times but was hearing all sorts of things (not just ambient info or useless info like paper clips dropping) he had never heard before - which added to the enjoyment. I say this NOT to brag about my system, but to brag about what guys like Ed Meitner (as well as MANY other fine designers) are capable of bringing into our homes! If either Ted or Dennis read this - feel free to chime in!!!