About the EMM Labs DAC


It seems that the EMM Labs DAC only can achieve optimal performance in conjunction with the proprietary Philips or Meitner transport. Does anyone know what might be the reason for this synergy? To me the Philips transport is just another mass production unit with quite an ordinary built quality. But where lies the secret? Is it due to another clock, D/A-converter chip or digital filter? If the Meitner modification is truly an improvement, why can it not be applied to other transports?

Dazzdax
dazzdax
What? The Wadia is not good enough? Just kidding. Although I am a two channel person I like the pre to be seperate from the DAC that is one reason I chose the DAC6. I am sure the DCC2 will be very very nice though. It looks nicer. :^)
Haven't heard the Steve Huntly modified wadia or the EMM combination wondering has anyone compared the great northern sound modified wadia 27ix and 270 or 270 se transport directly to the EMM Labs combination?
Why on earth doesn't EMM Labs liscense the Technology? Do you realize the killing this guy could make with the right deals? Meitner seems too busy for a consumer level product even if it is ultra high end. Why not allow other manufacturers the chance to implement his technology in more affordable designs? It's no secret the audiophile community is crying out for such a solution. Perhaps he could work a % of sale deal, I am sure many companies would love to be the first out the door with near EMM Labs performance in various reasonably priced packages.

If he isn't careful he is going to get trounced and forgotten once things pan out. It's highly unlikely hes the only individual on earth capable of advancing the SOTA. Create a quasi monopoly while you still can Ed.

Vedric
Tim -
I have heard the EMM labs stuff, on several occasions. Heard his prototype transport @ CES too. Not bad looking, finally - still smacks of pro-gear look though, which IMHO is not really expected @ the price point it is at. (BTW, $5k was not mentioned as a price point. I expect it might be higher? The people in the room with it (Tenor?) didn't have any info at all.)

I have owned an SACD1000 and later sold it - didnt' care for the build quality. The sound could be the best thing in the world, but if I can't live w/ the physicality of the transport, it's a moot point. Reliability was iffy at the time too, this before the 'fix' was well known.

I like the work he has done, I just don't see the justification for the price points. I'd love a normal, stripped down (no preamp) version of the DCC2. It should sell for about $2k - $2500 max. Beyond that, I just find it hard to justify the price.

"Any idea which DAC chips are used by Meitner?"
"They are proprietary. That is what makes them unique."

...rrrriiiiiight. Sure. Like any chip manufacturer is going to tool up a whole separate chip to sell maybe a couple hundred of them? Not likely. It's probably just the implementation that is unique. Maybe they are unique but seems highly unlikely to me.

"If he isn't careful he is going to get trounced and forgotten once things pan out."

This could be a very possible scenario in the longer-term, once standards solidify and more players get into the game. there are also some very nice one-box players on the horizon or already here. (Esoteric/Teac, Luxman, something from Wadia by the end of the year they say...)

" It's highly unlikely hes the only individual on earth capable of advancing the SOTA."

Clearly. Of course he is not. He is one of the pre-eminent ones doing work in this area, though, and he has a relationship with Sony apparently, which gives him closer contact with their stuff than nearly any other outsider, or so it seems. It just needs to be more affordable, if it truly is as good as it is claimed to be. There's no reason it has to cost as much as it does - recouping/amortizing the cost over a few units @ high price point will not play out as well as lower cost and slightly higher volume and market share.

" Create a quasi monopoly while you still can Ed."

Seems to be trying, or at least he has a good head start. Still, it could be done better (marketing/sales/pricing/etc.), I think, as outlined above.

Time will tell...

-Ed
Expect the price to be higher. Expect them to list in Canadian dollars as the US dollar has dropped in value like a rock. Case in point is the Tenor 300 Hybrids now list in Canadian dollars. A few months ago you could get a pair for US30k now US35k.

By it now Ed before the dollar falls further or if you're lucky and get paid in Euro's you can buy it for less. I'm glad I got mine when I did. Especially my Kharma's. They went up 30%. :^)

Michael