Dare I admit? Low end speaker confusion - help


In my eternal quest for music as good as, as uh - well, perfection - I've listened to many, many speakers and am having a ridiculously hard time improving upon my old ones.

Everytime I've searched for speakers I gave up and bought something else, an amp, tape deck, new cartridge.

I've grown up in the NAD, Sony, Polk, Realistic price range.
I matured to Aragon, California Audio Lab, & Audio Physic.

I don't want to be chastised from this group but -
Why is it so difficult to find a speaker under 3 grand that sounds better than my 25 year old Radio Shack Optimus-5's??
Come over - I need to vindicate myself.

They have an 8" Woofer, 2 3" midranges (I removed one and it acts as a tuned port, somehow) and a 20 dollar Radio Shack Super tweeter.
I get what you would expect from a speaker with a driver for Bass, Midrange and Highs - Clear, distinct Bass, Midrange (incredible guitar picks) and amazing highs.

Side by side, my friends are really surprised.

Am I insane?
Were these speakers really something?
Does the fact that I have independent drivers for Bass, Midrange and Highs make all the difference as opposed to a high end two way floor speaker?

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
mg2am991a
Kudos to you for admitting what many here would be afraid to say. Others are still so far in denial that they DO think you're crazy.

Listen, with all of the advances that have taken place during the past 20-30 years, the fundamentals remain the same. I find it ironic that there are a few "classics" that even TRUE audiophiles would be proud, or at least unashamed, to own (Quad 57s, McIntosh MC-60, Marantz 8B, etc.). How could it be that these pieces are so great, yet virtually everything else from that era are crap? It's snobbery, pure and simple.

I was in a similar situation about 5 years ago. I had a pair of Boston Acoustics T-1020s that I set out to replace. I loved the speakers, but "knew" that I could do better. I listened to everything that I could find under $3K. I found a LOT of speakers that I didn't like at all...several that I liked as much as my BAs...and only a couple that I liked better. My struggle was whether I liked them $2.5-3K better. I did eventually replace them, but I'm not afraid to admit that even though those speakers are now 15 years old, I know that they'd still sound great today and could easily embarass many expensive modern speakers.

I've always been of the opinion that a good two-way sounds better than a less expensive, "compromised" three-way. But thinking back to those Boston Acoustics, they were a three-way with two 8 inch woofers, a 6.5 inch midrange and a 1 inch soft dome tweeter. It was also a sealed enclosure which I'm sure contributed to the tight tuneful bass response. Maybe there's something to your theory about multiple drivers, at least as it relates to vintage speakers.

Oh well. Sorry for rambling. I would suggest that there's some truth to the theory that you've grown accustomed to the compromised sound of your speakers. That said, the fact that you're unafraid to say that your Optimus 5s sound quite good is evidence that you trust your ears and know what you're listening for.

It's always best to audition components in your own environment, but I'd like to suggest something different in this case. Since you're having a hard time even finding anything that you'd like to bring home for an audition, may I suggest that you find a dealer who would be willing to let you bring your Radio Shack speakers to his store? This way, you can do a direct comparison (eliminating all variables) and get your speakers out of their "comfort zone" (your living room). Maybe you'll hear something that you've never heard before. If you do find that you like something better, then bring them home for a final audition.

Good luck to you and please keep us posted.
Why does everyone forget the "Biggest Issue":
We all "hear" very differently from each over.

I am constantly told "you should hear these great speakers" only to find I hate them. I don't think it's because of anything more than Rule #1 above.

I once had a friend who "heard" like me and felt blessed that I could always believe his exacting discriptions. I miss him.
JBL L200's-early 70's to early 80's

Infinity Reference Standard 4.5's-early 80's to late 90's

Martin Logan ReQuest - current.

Really enjoy the Logans and "graduated" so to speak from horns/cones to ribbons to electrostatics.

This was a fairly natural progression based upon the amount of time I spent listening to music and having the above models make a hard impact when I first heard them. BUT, I still miss the JBL's. They were incredibly efficient and had a forward dynamic presentation that was especially well suited to rock music. After seeing Tull, the Who, Led Zeppelin, the Stones, and other groups in concert and then listening at home I still think JBL is the most "accurate" representation in a home setting. Although the Logans can do rock, they can't do it like the JBL's did.
I also still have the Infinity's in the shed as I could not bear to sell them in 92 (never listed just when a purchaser of some of my sealed UHQR's wanted them) as I didn't hear anything nearly as good for anywhere near the money to my ears. It wasn't until I heard Logans in the late 90's that I decided to go for that electrostatic speed and transparency.

To me the cost of the hobby make the older designs very appealing. If you like your radio shack gear, great, keep it and enjoy it. Remember, Have FUN!!!!!
Wow - thanks! Appreciate all the thoughts.
I feel as a group this was a good "session".

I was thinking of having the finish redone so I could "have" my new speakers after all.
As much as I love the sound of the Realistic antiques, I do recall the midrange at times of extended listening being a bit fatiguing - but lonly after long periods with certain music. That and the fact the speakers were so "low end" I figured I was ready for a move.

The guitar strumming in Dire Straits "The Man's Too Strong" is a good test for crisp and dynamic midrange and treble which the speakers seem to oddly excel in.

New test next week - bringing it all to the basement.
Larger room, no curtains nor carpets.
After that I hope to be released from the isylum by October?

PS, Snicklefritz -What does a Aragon, Cal Audio, Physic listener listen to? I like it all - mostly female vocals and acoustical guitars.