Zap Sound out of Speakers when Powering Off


I've recently put together a new system from fellow Agoner's and I'm going through a shake down right now. I have two problems and I could use some advice.

First the System:

McCormack DNA-1 Deluxe Amp
Conrad Johnson PV10a (with phono) pre
B&W 805 Naut's with Monster XP cables
Homegrown IC's Silver Lace
VPI HW19 JR TT
Phillips DVD/CD (crappie plastic IC)
XM Radio

First problem:

When powering off the pre-amp system, I get a loud static like "pop" from my right speaker. Then when shutting off the Amp It get a wierd "zip-zip" sound, again out of the right speaker. Is this normal when shutting down a two channel Hi-Fi system?? (speaker was slighly damaged on delivery - see below). Why is it only coming out of the right?? I'm waiting for DH Labs Q10 speaker cables, but it sounds more like a speaker or amp problem.

Second problem:

The system runs great and when the volume is turned all the way down it is very "black". However, after about 30 minutes or so of operation, it develops a very noticable high pitch "whining" sound out of the speakers. This seems to alternate between one of the two each time the system is powered up. You can hear it clear across the room when music isn't playing and it is almost at painful levels. I've shut down and turned off everything except the amp the pre and it still keeps "weeeeeeeeenn" Arghh!! Please help!!!

Note: The right speaker mentioned had a pushed in Tweeter cone when it arrived, but seems to be playing very well. It has a cracked tweeter case (very hard to even see) which lead me to think this might be the cause of both sound issues.

I haven't tried to swap out the speakers with something else to see if this is the cause (I'll try that tonight). Anyone have any ideas of what might be causing these noises??
whyt_rabbit
I have a similar, but slightly different problem. I have no sound issues when poweing off the preamp, however, when I power off my amp, regardless of whether the preamp is on or off, I get a popping sound out of one of the speakers. The amp is a levinson 331 and I don't remember it doing it when I first got it. It works just fine and sounds fine except for this powering off popping sound. Any thoughts?

- Scott
Whyt_rabbit, have you replace the tubes and CJ preamp?
It soundeds like a tube issue to me. You have this high pitch noise after the tube warm up.
Last night I switched speakers and the high pitched noise continued, so it definately isn't the speakers.

Additionally, I got the same "Poping Static" sound when shutting down the units with the other speakers.

This is definately a amp/pre-amp issue.

I'm getting a new set of tubes for the CJ and I'll see what difference these make in the "high pitched whine". I'm glad to hear that others think it is the tubes.

What about the shutdown noise, could this also be caused by the tubes???
First, leave the preamp turned off and just power/listen to the power amp. Does it make any noises after a half hour or more? Does it make noises on power on or power off? If so, it should be repaired. I've had 3 DNA-1s and none them make any such noises.

Second, if the amp behaves well, then it's the preamp.

BTW, are you confident of the connections in your DIY ICs?
Yea, sometimes tired tubes can fart a bit (for lack of a better word) when powering down. While you're waiting for the new ones, one thing you can do to test whether it's the tubes is, to the extent that it is reliably happening in the right channel, switch the tubes between the channels in the CJ and see whether the sound jumps channels. If it does, there's your culprit. If not... (It's also might not be a bad idea, if for no other reason, to make sure the tubes are sitting right and hadn't been somehow loosened during shipment. You never know).

As for the "zipping" noise from the amp at shut-down, unless it's really aggressive I wouldn't be all that concerned. When you power down an amplifier it lets go of a lot of juice and is sometimes audible through the speakers. Usually there is an automatic muting switch that will mute the speaker taps so that you don't have to listen to this process in its full glory (or potentially damage you speakers) as the power bleeds off, but itÂ’s not unusual to get some sound at power down. Sometimes (rarely, I would guess) a muting switch can go bad, though. A batch of Bryston amps went out a while ago (one of which ended up in my living room) that had a tendency for the muting switch to fail (which mine did). It was not a subtle thing. Sounded like a significant static discharge, through both channels but entirely un-uniform, that would quickly crescendo hard and then fade off fairly raggedly (describing sounds is a bitch, no?). It was really loud and pretty much sounded like the speakers where being torn in half. Alarming. If you get the sound while powering down the amp (and while nothing else is on at all) I would guess what your hearing is something leaking through or around a muting switch that appears to be doing a better job on one channel than the other. Keep us posted.