CAT or VAC for Shahinian Obelsik


I'd like to refute that prevailing wisdom that Shahinian speakers need high powered solid state amps and find a tube amp to drive my Obelisks. I was first considering the new VAC 160 Standard musicblocs - 160w per side using 4 KT88s. I've since found a possible deal on a CAT JL2 - my sense is the CAT would drive the Shahinians pretty well. Even though the CAT is rated at 100w I suspect it's a pretty imperturbable 100w. I'm leaning towards the CAT - seems like it would be a "last amp" purchase (actually very likely in this case). Any wisdom from the CAT and/or Shahinian experienced? System is Calypso, Modwright 3910, will have analog soon.
Thanks
samcclark
The CAt has hi bias (it's class partly/mostly?). It should be able to drive most modern speakers (i.e. +88 db spl)perfectly well.
That said, I don't know the vac or the new obelisks (if any different). A pair of old ones sounded fine driven by a jl2 -- not very balanced (positioning) but that wasn't the cat's fault.
Sam,
as a fellow owner of both Obelisks and Diapasons, let me say a word of caution. I have found that the advice to use powerful SS amps, which can deliver a lot of current, to be correct, especially with the Obelisks. In my experience only SS like Densen, Naim or Plinius gets the Obelisks to deliver the strong, well defined bass they are capable of. A friend of mine, who lived in the same house and has Obelisks as well, bought a tupe amp which delivered close to 100 watts - it coul d not cope with the Obelisks. Nor could the McIntosh MA6500 integrated I first used. So be careful and make sure you have listened at least to one of the recommended combinations before you settle on a tube amp. Over on
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shahinianspeakerowners/
you may do a little search, the subject was discussed at lenght there.
Thanks for the responses. I know that people have found SS works. My thought was that the CAT JL2 is a different tube animal, that wattage doesn't tell the whole story - it's how stable the amp remains under difficult load. What I've heard is that the CAT is quite stable and may be more so than many SS amps. Any thoughts? Gregm - you heard an actual JL2/Obelisk combo? Very interesting. Any other description of how that worked? Thanks again for everyone's responses.
Sam
With all due respect to Hassel, the CAT is not your average tube amp. Not all tube amps control speakers the same. 100 tube watts does not necessarily equal 100 tube watts. But the same holds true between ss amps.

The JL-2 is conservatively rated at 100 wpc. With 8 6550 tubes per channel driven in Class A, and a power supply design and output transformer that is more massive than an entire Naim amp, the JL-2 has very little difficulty to drive anything thrown its way. If any Naim amp can control a speaker out there, that same speaker will be breeze for the CAT. I would even put my Counterpoint NPS400 amp against any Naim amp to compare with driveability against any speaker load out there.

Gregm - My older SoundLab A1s are not even close to 88db....probably closer to 84 or 85, and the CAT can drive this speaker with far greater ease than the Counterpoint amp that is rated twice the output. It's not an issue of rated power or speaker efficiency but rather how linear and stable the amp remains when the music material becomes more complex at higher and higher volume levels.

I had the ARC CL150 monos, also with 8 6550 tubes in triode, and rated at 150w. This amp was not at all capable of driving Magnepan 3.5 speakers to their potential. But to throw the CAT at these speakers was not a problem. So I would not put much focus on silly power ratings or dismiss an amp because its output is tube driven.