Holographic imaging


Hi folks, is the so called holographic imaging with many tube amplifiers an artifact? With solid state one only hears "holographic imaging" if that is in the recording, but with many tube amps you can hear it all the time. So solid state fails in this department? Or are those tube amps not telling the truth?

Chris
dazzdax
TBg,

Believe me I'm not interested in arguing either, but realize that the definition I provided is not mine, I'm just sharing it. Take it for whatever its worth.

I'm just trying to help provide some clarity in terminology where it exists so as to help cut to the chase rather than argue what certain words mean.

Personally I learned from it that Carver holography really isn't holography at all. Its just one engineers approach to providing a bigger sound stage with improved 3-d imaging if that is to someones tastes. Obviously, its not to many, at least via the means provided.
The best holographic imaging I've experienced is through a Vac Avatar driving B&W speakers. There's something about cone based speakers and tubes that deliver a full sonic image that literally dances in front of you. I'm not sure I would always contribute holographic imaging to good sound staging though. It seems you can get a realistic, pin point sound stage but not necessarily have it be 3D if that makes any sense. Overall tubes tend to solidify stereo images better than solid state but I wouldn't say it's an absolute. I've heard some pretty good almost 3d imaging from a solid state amp but with a tube-pre. Room acoustics also play a big part along with the low level detail that others have brought up.
Learsfool,
stupid of me, I should have thought of adding horns to the list of speakers which do best in the fields which are being discussed here. Thanks for reminding us. Thanks also for pointing out once more the importance of the recording engineers and their miking and mixing techniques. I often wish, Mohr and Layton were still around.......
Hcat apparently sounds interesting to the untrained ear.

Let the guy go; he's championed other suspect products as well. Most of them flavor of the month products like this one.

Check the posting history. It's all there.
I have been strongly considering trying a real tube pre on my system.

I prefer the tube voiced output on my SS Carver pre to the SS one on my system currently. I'm thinking it could add a useful ingredient to my audio soup, maybe just a small pinch of additional "bloom". I've considered Acoustic Research, CJ, Unison, VTL, and DeHavilland.

Classe is one brand of SS pre that I would also consider trying from what I've heard.

I'm open for suggestions on this if anybody has some.