Why Can't Tubes Be Mass-Produced Cheaply?

Albert's point is well taken and something I mentioned earlier. If the circuit is demanding, like driving real hard or whatever, then there probably are tubes that work better than other. Maybe NOS, maybe not. I have also had good results with new JJ and EH small signal tubes. (I have a pair of the new ECC99 on the way, heard several good reports on these.) I'm using some NOS Tesla right now that I find very special and they only cost $40 a pair. No, I won't tell you which they are cuz I don't want the price to jump. ;-) In my amp I have found that the new production EH EL34s are better than some very high dollar NOS EL34s that came with the amp when I bought it. These were supposedly the best EL 34s ever made. I can't remember exactly what they are and I'm not at home right now to check.

Not to stray off topic too much but I have moved away from such equipment because I have found other designs that work better without the need to drive the tubes hard. I've also not found in my humble experiences a design using the 6922 that I like. And I've tried the PQ white labels and a few others. I'm not slamming any make or model, just hoping to help explain why some may find NOS necessary and others can find great performance with some current production tubes.

BTW, to those who sent me email. Hope you don't mind if I answer here so I don't have to reply more than once. Long story short, this thread contains the sum of my experiences. Maybe not in any detail, but the high points are here and not just in my replies.

I don't know of any current production small signal tubes that better vintage tubes, and it is not just a matter of old tubes being better when driven hard. I have some old Tungsol 6sn7 roundplates that measure very weak on my tube tester. In my amp, which does not tax these tubes, they sound better than the EHs. Anyone know of current production 6sn7s that compete with Tungsol roundplates? Any competition for Telefunken ECC803S or ECC83s?

I don't know about output tubes. I really like EML 2a3 mesh-plates, but, they have to be babied (low plate voltage, low current). I have not tried vintage single-plate 2a3s, but, they make EMLs seem like a super bargain.

Tubes are more or less "mass produced cheaply" to meet the meager demand for them. The only real demand is in the musical instrument amplification world. What a guitar player wants out of a tube, you as an audiophile may well abhor. Tooling is very expensive, and the last major production lines in the West were either sold into China or were scrapped. The GE 6650 line in Kentucky was scrapped. The M.O. Valve plant was torn down to put up a shopping center, and its Gold Lion KT-88 and KT-77 production equipment went to China. The KT-66 line which had lay dormant for decades was scrapped as unfit for rehabilitation.

The last consistent quality tubes came from the East block and Yugoslavia. With the fall of the Iron Curtain, the production of vacuum tubes became almost exclusively the province of Eastern Europe and China. With the Kosovo war the E.I. plant in Belgrade absorbed substantial bomb damage, and the Company went down. It was bought by its British distributor after the conflict and reopened with direct orders from New Sensor to cheapen up the product. Solvtek stopped manufacturing 5AR4's for a while because they could not produce them and make a profit. So, you want cheap tubes??? They are already made in low wage environments, and extremely few businessmen are not going to invest in exceedingly expensive tooling that must be meticulously maintained to satisfy minuscule demand. There is no profit to be made by in large. That being said, there are some very decent tubes being made today in Eastern Europe and China.

The tubes prior to the mid sixties were made to meet mass demand where quality was expected. Once tubes became "obsolete," what incentive did these companies have to reinvest and maintain quality control? If you wish to live with tube audio equipment, I suggest you decide on exactly what tubes you want to deal with, and then, buy a life time supply whether N.O.S. or current production. N.O.S. Tung Sol 6550's from the "golden age" will blow away any similar tube made today. That being said, if one does not have unlimited money, they might consider the current Solvtek 6550's.

In my opinion all vacuum tubes become low pass filters starting at about two thousand hours. I remove tubes stage by stage every 500 hours starting at 2000 hours and back check them against new tubes. It is a rare day I do not hear significant signal degradation by 3000 hours. When one drops $300.00 or more for a pair of small signal tubes, one has an enormous incentive to not hear such sonic degradations. And, I am an old guy. I have a life time supply of "red label" pre-war E.I. KT-90's. I really prefer 6SN7's, and while I have an adequate N.O.S. supply, there are a few current production tubes that I like. Alas, my supply of N.O.S. GZ34 Telefunken's and GZ37 Mullard's is used up or sold. Thank God for rectifier diodes.

So are companies like ARC, Conrad-Johnson, and others doomed for extinction as production eventually shuts down and existing stocks are depleted? Is the market for tube equipment because of lack of tubes going to disappear? Solid state equipment can and does sound great, but it seems modern tube equipment like the ARC REF 3 and 5 have a sound that is not easy to duplicate (and many other pieces of equipment I have not heard) and may not easily be surpassed.