Fun to read... I ALREADY added my three cents to the discussion.
In a way, it is heartwarming to read folks arguing endlessly over the same sort of stuff over and over, and over...
I bet the monks and clerics in the middle ages did the same over: "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?"
With the same muddled results.
At least no one is aguing the other side is lying! (though the argument veer very close... mistaken, fooled into believing, blind eye.. )
We just hear differently i guess.