Disadvantages of OP amps in output stage of CD?


I was informed that "op amps" in the output stage of a CD player can produce thin, less full, and bright sound quality in the upper midrange,(which I have heard on my CD player) In addition, I was advised that these digital by-products can be reduced by taking the digital output signal from the player and feeding it into a good DAC with a discreet class "A" output stage

The CD player I have is a modded Cambridge 550C. I don't understand "HOW" this addition will or can improve the sound quality. Will it prodice a fuller and smooother midrange?? I also don't want to add another box to the system or spend $500-600 plus for a good DAC. Any advice and comments will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
sunnyjim
First, an op amp (short for "operational amplifier") is an analog device, and cannot produce digital by-products.

Second, I would not by any means NECESSARILY attribute the objectionable sonic characteristics you are describing to the op amp stage of the player. There is a whole lot of other stuff in the player that can also cause or contribute to that, including the player's DAC (digital to analog converter) circuitry. And the sonics provided by a specific electrical design approach, besides depending on the circuit design and on the specific parts that are used, can even differ considerably depending on the mechanical layout and design.

More often than not, though, it can be expected that the choice of an op amp-based analog stage, as opposed to a stage based on discrete transistors (not "discreet," which means something else) will have been made with cost as a key consideration. High-end designs tend not to use op amps, at least in the signal path.

Purchasing a standalone DAC means that you would no longer be using both the DAC function and the output stage of your player. Can that result in a "fuller and smoother midrange"? Certainly. Will it? Obviously, it depends on the particular DAC, as well as on what part of the existing player is the predominant contributor to the problem.

Changing to a different CD player could also, of course, accomplish the same thing, depending on the particular model.

Also, a two-box approach can have its own set of tradeoffs. If not well implemented, noise pickup and impedance mismatches involving the interconnect cable and the interface circuits in the two components, as well as groundloop effects between the two components, can result in random fluctuations in the timing of the conversion of each digital sample to an analog voltage in the DAC, which is referred to as jitter, and which can have very significant sonic consequences.

Hopefully others having particular knowledge of products in that price range will chime in with specific suggestions, covering both one-box and two-box approaches.

Regards,
-- Al
The guys at Burson Audio consider op amps the devils work. I wouldn't go that far but here is there take on it; http://www.bursonaudio.com/DIY_HD_Opamp.htm.

Hope this doesn't make things messier.

All the best,
Nonoise
Al, Thanks for the thorough explanation of the "op-amp" functionality. Yes, I did spell "discrete" incorrectly in this particular context.....I possibly did not mentally transition quick enough from an on-line dating service to Audiogon.

Nevertheless, I think you covered all the options. However, a $1000-1500 DAC will not or can not be done. Equally, even if I can get a refund for the modded 550C, and sell the Rega Apollo, a $3000-3500 CD player will not happen either which may be the (starting) range to as you noted.... "accomplish the same thing" as using a two box appproach.

The Ayre CX-7mp2 comes to mind, and/or the current top of the line Sim Audio player. The Rega Isis, even used, is not worth the money. However, I remain undaunted in finding a more than acceptable alternative and the right sound quality.

To Nonoise, Thanks for the link....maybe "out of chaos comes order" Not sure who said this: either Pee Wee Herman, or Frederich Nietzche??