Any fellow VAC Phi 220 owners out there? Thoughts?


I am absolutely thrilled with my VAC Phi 220 monoblocks and was just wondering if any other Phi owners out here share my enthusiasm? These are the best sounding (by far) power amplifiers I have ever heard in my system, and I think one of the best amplifiers I have heard period.

The Phi 220s really do it all with my Vandy 5As, but the midrange and treble reproduction are a cut above any other amplifier I've had in my system. It is the first time I feel like I'm listening to pure music and not an audio system. It's emotional, engaging, and just sounds "right". The 5As simply disappear like never before and are extremely capable of revealing just how good the 220s are.

Sorry if I'm "over the top" with my comments on these, but VAC nailed it with these amps!

Vandertseen Model 5A- Bird's Eye Maple
VAC Phi 220 monoblock amplifiers
EMM Labs DCC2 DAC/preamp
EMM Labs CDSD- SACD/CD transport
Audioquest Sky 72V DBS XLR interconnects
Audioquest Kilimanjaro 72V shotgun biwire speaker cables
Silent Source AC power cords
Custom Power Cord Co. Model 11 Plus for 5A subs
BPT 3.5 Signature Plus balanced line conditioner
Critical Mass Systems platforms for EMM and BPT
Sistrum SP-101 platforms for VAC Phi 220s
fsarc

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I have the Vac Phi 110/110 and I share your enthusiasm. A fellow Audiogoner recently told me mine was the most transparent system he had ever heard. I have just auditioned Revelation Audio Paradise interconnects, and it's the first time the musicians have actually "been in my room". Mind blowing. FWIW, I have done some tube rolling with the KT88 tubes with some highly regarded tubes, and I've gone back to the stock Vac tubes. Substantially more extension and realism.

Enjoy!
Fsarc, I am currently using a TG Audio 688 on the Vac 110/110. It's the best I've found thus far. I was very close to trying the Precept, but my audiophile dollars are being allocated elsewhere at the moment. I'd give the Precept a try, though. With the MBG you have nothing to lose. Please report back with your impressions if you do try it.
Fsarc, you might try some Revelation ICs just for kicks. They really opened up my system. Something tells me I don't have my set-up quite right with my VAC 110/110 because it sounds distorted when running zero feedback, and I know this is what Kevin recommends. I'm also running Ultra Linear and using the 4 ohm speaker taps.
In this article from the VAC website, Kevin Hayes discusses his design philosophy and specifically mentions that the Renaissance series of VAC amps are class A1. Now, I don't know if that applies to the Phi series. That would be a question for Kevin. But, I'd be willing to bet the Phi series amps are based on the same basic design theory.
Well, interesting experiment tonight. I went direct to the VAC Phi 110/
110 with the APL Denon 3910 and tried Zero Negative Feedback on the
VAC. Eureka! No distortion. Even though I had tried going direct to the
VAC with the APL, I hadn't tried it with Negative Feedback switched off.
I'm bittersweet though, because it tells me there is a mis match between
my First Sound Presence Deluxe II and the VAC, although the system
sounds terrific with the First Sound in the chain and with the VAC's
Negative Feedback enabled. Now, I need to devote some listening to
both variations to decide which is better.
Any of you hear both?

Are you serious? You KNOW you'll be the first in this audiophool community to hear both.
No PW yet. Hell, I've just discovered I can run my VAC Phi 110/110 with zero negative feedback running the APL direct, thus avoiding the preamp altogether. This is a whole new Pandora's Box that will require some exploration. No worries, though, I'll try the PW promptly.
Not necessarily. The music has more "life" and body with the preamp in the chain. And, for some reason there is more HF noise (hiss) going direct with the digital volume control.
Scotty333, thanks for your thoughts. Alex informs me the problem has
to do with the 35dB gain of the VAC phi 110/110 when going direct to
the amp, and with the amp in the zero global feedback mode. Alex is
fashioning a pair of adapters to correct this problem.

Besides the mismatch issue with the APL, there are sonic differences
between running the amp with and without negative feedback, which are
inherent in all tube amps. As you mention, with zero global feedback
the soundstage expands and the air increases, however one gives up
some bass punch. I like bass punch, so I often find myself listening to
the amp with negative feedback. When the system is run this way, the
addition of a preamp makes a profound difference in dynamics.

It would be nice to be able to "dial in" varying amounts of
negative feedback, but I'm guessing Kevin Hayes has determined this is
somehow detrimental to his design. It'd be interesting to know his
reason.

Scotty, I've been using TG Audio 688 power cords, and just recently
purchased two VH Audio AirSine cords to try on the VAC Phi 110/110
and my Hydra 4. I've had the Vh Audio cords only a week, so it's too
early to provide any feedback. I'm going to leave them in for a month
and then swap the TG Audio cord back in to listen for audible
differences.

Fsarc, wouldn't it be relatively easy for you and your friend to swap RAL
and AirSine cords for a week or so? Seems like this would be an ideal
way for each of you to try excellent new cords in your own systems?

Have fun with the Phi2.0!


Fsarc, considering the possible differences in synergy between tube and
SS, I thought it might be beneficial to hear them both in your system. I
respect that you've made your choice. Perhaps I'll walk the walk and
order a pair of RAL to compare to the AirSine.
Still using, and loving the Paradise IC. In fact, I may participate in the auction for the iPod interconnect.
Have any VAC Phi amplifier owners rolled the 6SN7 tubes? I'm presently using Sylvania 6SN7GTA, and someone recently suggested trying RCA VT-231 or Sylvania VT-231 to sweeten the top end just a smidge. Anyone?