juancgenaolooked into roxul but bought regular insulation... cant remember exactly why but there was a reason (I bought the insulation a while ago to help spread out the cost of the project...) At any rate, I already have rolls upon rolls of insulation sitting in the corner waiting to be used... Hopefully I can match your sonic bliss with what I have.. thanks for the recommendation! As for the 5/8 drywall, like I said in my op, general consensus is definitely use it but the green glue research made me question the efficacy... not to mention the weight when hanging from the ceiling... |
Randy the walls are 2x4 and are already built so that part is what it is. The 2x6s came in to play as joists for the ceiling of the room to make sure they are strong enough to support whatever ceiling solution I end up using..
The carpet I am looking at is that superthin industial carpet that you see in businesses and such with minimal pile (maybe 1/8 inch thick overall.) The exact one I am considering is 50cents/square foot at Lowes so that should speak towards its overall thickness/durability as carpet... Do you still think that might make it too dead?
I've looked at recording studio solutions but so far the general idea I got from most of that is since one is building a studio they must be pretty serious so spending a few grand on the walls is on the table... I'm trying to take this seriously but not that seriously.... Admittedly I have avoided concert hall stuff as I didn't think it would apply enough... Will continue to investigate...
As for the book, I just found some recommendations toward that end yesterday (but noooo, couldnt have found that within my past three months of snooping around the innerwebs.... 😡) unfortunately time is of the essence...
gs5556 There was no room to begin with as the basement is unfinished. I hope you are right when you say the room will trap more sound than I think but this is pretty much a one-shot deal (not absolute but you get the gist) so want to be as effective as possible the first go around... My goal is to be able to listen to the music as loud as I want (just shy of making myself go deaf) whenever I want without a complaint from my wife or neighbors.. I could very well have a nervous breakdown if I finish this project and the neighbors hear anything, bass included.. You wouldn't believe the number of hours I have spent trying to educate myself about sound isolation the past three months.. I knew next to nothing when I started this project... not that I know anything now but my eyes dont glaze over like they used to when reading this stuff.. I would be more open to "playing" around with different ideas but changing things around once built is pretty cost prohibitive
ivan good point on the blanket to plug the existing duct.. you wouldn't believe the occupation of the person that suggested it but based on your comment that is definitely out! Thanks for the save!!!
As for the foil for the airflow, that's exactly what I was thinking so it seems I am on the right track.. The basement is cool year round so at this point I am not worried about getting a/c in (although we did frame an opening for one for future use if needed.. ounce of prevention, ton of cure!) and I think between the insulation and the heat from the electronics it will be warm enough so all I am worried about is getting fresh air in and circulating it through... At this point, my intention is to have an opening near the front of the room to draw "fresh" air from the basement in and a small fan and opening at the back of the room to suck the air out and blow it into the basement... Lot of comments I have read mention that the slightest air leaks (even from unsealed outlets) negate all the other sound proofing efforts so I am wanting to be careful here... At this point I am looking at building some sort of an insulated box around the openings to mitigate sound escape but haven't come up with a solid plan as yet..
thanks for your comments and keep 'em coming! |
Just to clarify.. here is what has already been done/committed to: 2x4 studs, typical application "room within a room" design.. no walls are touching structural walls and the ceiling is not connected to the subfloor above styrofoam between the bottom of the studs and floor johns manville r13 for use between the studs johns manville r30(?) for use in/above the ceiling of room, 2 layers 2x6 joists on the ceiling green glue (2 cases worth) and double drywall on the walls.. already purchased and shipped so committed to this hopefully double drywall on the ceiling as well but the jury is still out on that solid core door with yet to be determined sealing |
Randy just reread your post and noticed your recommendation for soundbreak.. will look into it.. I will say Im not a fan of websites that make you give information in order to access basic information such as test results (to get STC rating) and price.... |
Whart Yeah, that MLV is out of my league overall but thanks for the input
Dweller have a headphone set up I actually really like but this room has long been a dream of mine so am chugging forward... as for the spikes, yup! As for listening levels... I do like it loud but that is a relative term... when all is said and done with this room it is my inderstanding that once you addrss sound quality within the space louder volumes aren't necessary ... Regardless, measures will be taken to make sure no hearing damage occurs.... placement of the room was actually decided based on the facors you mentioned... it is as far away from the family room as possible and as i mentioned, two floors below the bedrooms with the kids rooms being the furthest away..
goose room within a room - check! double sheetrock on the ceiling - care to elaborate on the joists? As I stated, I now have 2x6s for the joists but thats all I have room for and one of my original questions realted to them being strong enough to hang two layers of drywall from vent boxes - sounds like I am on the right track then
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Ok, so a reucrring theme I have seen (through continued research and suggestions) is channel strips.. any recommendations on a DIY method instead of buying commercially available? |
Re: floating the walls away from the studs and ceiling from the joists/2x6s...
Sooooo... spent the morning looking up isolation channels and by the time I outfit the room (11x15x7) that gets to be pretty spendy
plan b: looked into lining all of the studs with neoprene or rubber stripping... got to be pretty spends as well... as much as, if not more than the isolation channels...
Plan c: so at this point I am looking into seeing what they have at lowes, be it styrofoam or other material, that comes in 4x8 sheets that can be cut down in to strips
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Goose will watch tonight, thanks!
folkfreak will look into that as well... as for doors, mentioned that briefly... solid core door with sealant of some sort and hope it works as $2k for a door isn't in the plans |
Thanks for the contributions... kinda had a day of spinning the wheels in the mud trying to figure out some logistics.... it appears acoustic sealant/caulk is going to be the answer for "isolating" the drywall from the studs... at this point can't afford other options as covering 40 some studs adds up... lowes had acoustic something or the other on clearance for $6.50 for a 30oz tube so I grabbed what they had |
Goose those rooms are amazing! Well done!!! Wanna come out to Colorado for a "vacation???!!!"
folkfreak that walldamp is exactly what I am envisioning... now if only they were having a 75% off sale... i do get that you are only pointing out the design principles and that is exactly what I am trying to accomplish... I'm gonna keep searching but as I mentioned, it looks like the acoustic caulk I got today is going to be what I use...
randy i mentioned i am planning on using very thin industrial carpet to cover the walls (some dampening but not too much is the idea...) and so far no one has poo-pood that idea... and you are right, sound correction will be addressed in the future
as for flooring, the current plan is thick or double padding and carpet... within this, the speakers will be on spikes at minimum but more likely placed on something (i saw some "speaker isolators" yesterday and the concept made sense) to allow the soeakers to make as little/no contact with the floor
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Alright, some background knowledge might be helpful here... soap opera coming up
in rereading the posts (and rereading, and rereading some more) it does kinda look like I am being stubborn and not wanting to utilize the resources that have been suggested... believe me, I would love to implement these awesome suggestions/recommendations but I got some bad advice prior to beginning the project and it set me back a few steps...
the advice came from a home theater installer I know personally and when this project was in it's infancy he was willing to help and was confident building the room would be about $1000... maybe $1200... $1500 max.. yeah.... so based on this, that is what i planned on and budgeted... you can quit laughing any time now.... not to mention different people have different definitions of "willing to help" but thats for a different day.. needless to say, he's out of the picture..
so now here I am getting indoctrinated in acoustical engineering and realizing that the original budget is absolutely laughable, yet still trying to not go completely overboard, yet still do the room as properly as possible... Not to mention eventually realizing things I didn't even think to consider beforehand and dealing with them as they pop up... dilly of a pickle it is! This is about the point where y'all came in...
So know I have tremendous gratitude for all of the suggestions but at the end of the day, an additional $800 here and another $1000 there just isn't feasible... (keeping in mind I Started with the impression the entire room could be built for $1500 or less...)
Now don't get me wrong, I didn't come in to this totally oblivious and I do expect this to cost some money, which I am willing to spend, but like I said, I have to draw the line somewhere.. hopefully this sheds some light as to why I am always looking for the DIY/inexpensive as possible options...
Again, deepest of gratitude for your help... Obviously I continue to look forward to any assistance y'all are willing to provide
whew! I feel like i should go get a 6 pack and watch arm wrestling for a while in an attempt to get some points back on my man card!!! |
Randy after posting about the carpet I went back and saw you did poo poo it earlier but it was too late to edit... duly noted....
i dont happen to have any old porshes lying about, or any other spare autos for that matter, so I may just have to go find that arm wrestling... sounds like you put some points in the bank utilizing this method.. ouch! |
Goose thanks for the leads! I already have a door (new for $20! Thanks Craigslist!!!) but will look in to the threshold stuff.. will look into the seals as well |