Class D is affordable and sounds as good or better the SS/Valve why buy anything else ?


I have spent a fair amount of my hard earned money on big ticket brand new SS and VT/Valve amplifiers over the years without hesitation, with state of the art 2019 class D amplifiers becoming cheaper and sounding better, i wouldn't join in again.

For older technology amplifiers SS VT/Valve to compete with State of the art class D, Their prices are going up and up.

One example is Pilium Audio from Greece or Bulgaria their Divine Line the prices are all over £100,000 for their pre amps and power amps, I know the UK importer he said they sound OK,

Another example FM Acoustics again up to and over £100,000 for pre and power amps. i have owned FM Acoustics pre and power again their OK,

I am not saying they do not sound good, i am saying why spend this much when state of the art class D probably sounds as good now and can only improve with the GaN capacitors and is nearly up to 100 times cheaper.

Is there still a market for multi thousand £$s SS or VT/Valve amplifiers ?

When class D finally overtakes SS VT/Valves what will people do with their multi thousand £$ amplifiers, keep them knowing there is something better ? Or will we see the market flood with exotic used amplifiers ?

Digital technology is rapidly growing pace and becoming cheaper, with GaN capacitors being introduced the sound is going to get better and better and will slowly or quickly become even more affordable.

If you had 50,000 to spend on an Amplifier, would you buy a high ticket SS amplifier and hope for the best ?

Would you stay safe and go with high ticket valve amp, class D can never match good valves right ?

Or would you sit tight and see how the GaN capacitors can further improve the performance of state of the art class D ?

Please feel free to join in, everybody is welcome, i think its a very delicate/touchy discussion for some people with big bucks invested in older type amplifiers.
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miveraaudio
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No religion, just data and facts. Religion is believing something is better with no data and facts to back it."

Actually what you are doing hear is exactly what you seem to be complaining about you have your own Bible and set of "facts" based on your fervent beliefs, faith, and convictions and because these are in direct oppositional conflict in fact, theory, and science with those which you do not embrace you insult those with who you disagree as being religious when it is demonstably shown that the simple element at work here is that you have little or no tolerance for those of different religions!

miveraaudio
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The objective data and subjective feedback of today’s best class d speaks for itself."

On this single, solitary, lone point I agree with you completely the consistent, reliable, repeated, verifiable, subjective data and experience with Class D shows, demonstrates, and reveals it to be an immature, undeveloped, incomplete technology that while it may hold promise, hope, and favorable prospect for the future is not in it's present form, level, and execution even near approaching high performance audio.
miveraaudio"You know it takes more than just saying bs to make it true."

But you are not talking about "Truth" hear you are talking about your own set of "facts" based on your fervent belief, faith, and conviction and some hear do not embrace your "Bible" and understand, recognize, and acknowledge that you're brand of religion is not something acceptable to them and this freedom of thought is something which seems to confound, trouble, and disturb you. 

miveraaudio
" Subjective client feedback is a way to gauge how the products are accepted once out in the field."

That is exactly correct but because of your closely held, cherished, and fervent convictions you can not allow these subjective feedbacks to prevent, discourage, or limit you’re proselytizing, preaching, and pontificating about you’re brand of audio religion which you cloak in the veneer of "science," truth, and objective reality.

It is obvious that you are new here and so I will just say in a friendly, cordial, non-confrontational way that this is not you're church, synagogue or pulpit.

miveraaudio
 "What you are contributing here is a personal attacks... exactly the type of commentary that is discouraged...Perhaps you have forgotten about proper forum conduct after all your years of experience?"

I understand that you are hurt that I do not accept, embrace, or promote you're personal brand of religion but that is really not my issue if you are offended, insulted, or injured by my honest, straightforward, independent reasoning then I suggest you turn to your closely held, fervent, cherished beliefs for solace. 
miveraaudiom"No insults from me. Stating facts is not insulting...Perhaps you should invest in a Delorean, and travel back in time to the mid 70's where your current level of knowledge is up to date"

Well that sounds like an initiative, effort, and attempt at insult from which I take no offense, umbrage, or exception because I realize you are consumed with religious fervor as a result of you're closely held, cherished, beliefs and faith based on your personal perception of Truth.

miveraaudio
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 I sold the first 100 1200AS based amps that hit the market and set the price bar for the industry on amps based on that module."

So it was obviously the profit, greed, and personal notoriety that prompted you're conversion to the Class D church, religion, and faith. But this "church" that you have joined hear known as "Audiogon" is a non-denominational "church" so you will find that not all hear will accept you're  proselytizing or you're closely held, cherished, beliefs and faith.
miveraaudiot’s a greedy thing when you sell products for very low profit margins?"

No it is greedy when you conceal your profit driven motive behind a religion of you're own invention where you have authored its bible and attempt to insult, degrade, and silence those who question you're proselytizing and faith-based interpretation of real world data, experience, and information.
ricevs"Wherever Mike goes is a fight. He has been kicked off several forums and made a mess on his forum on Audiocircle. He states things so righteously that anyone with a differing opinion wants to fight him back. A lot of threads where he participates get deleted....including most of his threads on his now gone Audiocircle forum circle...There is half truth in what he says"

Ricevs I am grateful, thankfull, and indebted to you for sharing this informations to the community here on Audiogon which is the only English language audio site on which I post so I would not have known this about "Mike" had you not alerted us even though it is becoming increasingly obvious, apparent, and evident that he is a religious proselytizer who uses name calling, insult, and derision to advance his Holy Cause of which he is a prophet, a visionary, and an oracle. I think we have all witnessed this hear previously on Audiogon and newcomers such as "Mike" usually do not last long because the moderators manage, intervene, and act accordingly as needed, required, or necessary.