Class D is affordable and sounds as good or better the SS/Valve why buy anything else ?


I have spent a fair amount of my hard earned money on big ticket brand new SS and VT/Valve amplifiers over the years without hesitation, with state of the art 2019 class D amplifiers becoming cheaper and sounding better, i wouldn't join in again.

For older technology amplifiers SS VT/Valve to compete with State of the art class D, Their prices are going up and up.

One example is Pilium Audio from Greece or Bulgaria their Divine Line the prices are all over £100,000 for their pre amps and power amps, I know the UK importer he said they sound OK,

Another example FM Acoustics again up to and over £100,000 for pre and power amps. i have owned FM Acoustics pre and power again their OK,

I am not saying they do not sound good, i am saying why spend this much when state of the art class D probably sounds as good now and can only improve with the GaN capacitors and is nearly up to 100 times cheaper.

Is there still a market for multi thousand £$s SS or VT/Valve amplifiers ?

When class D finally overtakes SS VT/Valves what will people do with their multi thousand £$ amplifiers, keep them knowing there is something better ? Or will we see the market flood with exotic used amplifiers ?

Digital technology is rapidly growing pace and becoming cheaper, with GaN capacitors being introduced the sound is going to get better and better and will slowly or quickly become even more affordable.

If you had 50,000 to spend on an Amplifier, would you buy a high ticket SS amplifier and hope for the best ?

Would you stay safe and go with high ticket valve amp, class D can never match good valves right ?

Or would you sit tight and see how the GaN capacitors can further improve the performance of state of the art class D ?

Please feel free to join in, everybody is welcome, i think its a very delicate/touchy discussion for some people with big bucks invested in older type amplifiers.
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Miveraaudio,
Well, honestly I havent heard any Nord 1200AS amp. I have no idea how do they sound compared to the NC500 amps.
Nevertheless, on Audioshark forum, if I remember correctly, some users have and prefered the NC500.
What I read on that forum, and mostly the advice of Nicolás Hulgich, the owner of Hulgich Audio, the australian speaker brand I mentioned, an argentinian like me, helped me decide to buy the NC500. At first I bought the Rev C boards as the Rev D were not offered that time, but then Colin Nord offered us, the owners of recently bought NC500DM, a cheap upgrade to Rev D version, and I took the chance and I bought it. Im glad I did as I liked very much the Rev C boards, but the new ones are better.

I dont want to sound like a Nord seller. I only think that Class D Amps should be take into account when you are in this hobby, mostly if you are on a budget or, like me, you live in a country where importing audio is expensive due to taxes. Another brands (Mola Mola, Nuprime, Wyred4sound, etc) also have very good reviews among audiophiles everywhere.

It is also true that Ive heard a very expensive system (about 100.000k), Bang and Olufsen, wich used class D amplification, and sounded very bad. It had an incredible bass (fast, deep, Power ful, etc), may be the best Ive heard, but it also had barely no image, sounded harsh, terrible.


Hello guys
Im not an expert on the field and only had 4 amps in my system:

-Marantz PM7005 SS integrated
-Yaqin MC13S EL34 tube integrated
-Line Magnetic LM-508IA class A 300B tube integrated that could also be used as power amp. A nice and very rewarded amp among audiophiles. 
-Nord NC500DM class D stereo amp with Rev D boards and Sparkos Op Amps. 

Well, I have to say that even the Nord is not yet fully burned, it betters all of my previous amps on every field, including the LM508, wich costs more than twice the Nord, weights 6 times more, consumes much more power, produces much more heat and needs valve replacement ($) from time to time. 

I havent heard multi thousands amps or systems, only once and sounded pretty bad (Bang and Olufsen), but then sound I get now from the Nord is great, and not harsh or lean at all. May be the LM508 sounded a tinny little bit more fulled bodied, but Im sure it was mostly noise as I did some test a few days ago because I founded hard to let the LM508 go, as it cost me pretty expensive for my budget and it was a real nightmare to importe it to my country (Argentina), but, after that test, it was clear to me that the sound was much cleaner, dynamic, holographic and toneful with the Nord. 

A tip to consider. Hulgich Audio, a small speaker factory from Australia, won the best sounding stand on 2017 Melbourne Hifi Show using Nord amps with Rev C boards, wich are worse than Rev D boards, and competing with multi thousand systems. 

Im not saying Nord amps are the best, only that good class D amps can be very good and may be more afordable than similar quality sound class A or AB amps. 

Pedro 

Well, I didnt know that and I guess its kind of late for the change! Im very sorry hearing it now! 

Honestly, Im a little bit tired of tweaking and upgrading my system. I will run and burn all of my new gear, including my new Gustard U16, then I will voice again my system with Dirac and I will just enjoy music as I never heard it like I do today. 

As it is said on another threads, sometimes we, the audiophiles, spend so much time and money on this hobbie that we forget to enjoy music and we spend all of our time just listening and tweaking our system. IMHO, its not too smart. 
Whitestix
Well, there are TOO MANY options in the audio universe that it is impossible to know/try I guess even 10% of the options out there, even if you work on a HiFi Shop or are a reviewer.
If you are happy with your system, well, enjoy the hell out of it.
For me, some few months ago I thought I was never leave 300B tubes and now I cannot believe the sound I get on my system with a "digital" class D amp. Streaming digital music in another universe (music) at the palm of my hand. I still remember me buying cassettes or recording songs on the radio in my youth!!
Its a very nice moment to be an audiophile and a music Lover.
sthlm78
I have the Nord amp (stereo) with Rev D boards and Sparkos Op Amps and it sounds pretty analog to me.
Before that Ive had a very reworded among audiophiles 300B valve integrated and I prefer the sound of the Nord. 
Hello Tweak1
Wich XLR cable made a big change in your system? 
Today I have the XLR cable provided by Nord, but Im willing to try a new one if it could make a big improvement, not a small one. 
I've just been listening music, here it almost 1 am. 
I really dont know how a multi thousands dollars class A amp sounds (my last class A 300B tube amp costs just about 5k plus upgraded tubes) and neither I know how a 1200AS module class D amp sounds, but I've just got an almost religious experience.
I cannot believe the sound I've just been listening a moment ago. Sweet, delicate, deep, toneful, full bodied, layered, dynamic... Just incredible.
I repeat, I honestly dont know how a 50k class A amp could sound, but I cannot figure out how it could be better than this. It made me cry of emotion twice. 

My system is powered by a Nord class D stereo amp (dual mono), Rev D board with Sparkos Op Amps, and I couldnt be happier.