Class D is affordable and sounds as good or better the SS/Valve why buy anything else ?

Mike,

Your all in one DAC/amps are only as good as the weakest link.  The stock 1200AS1 or 2 is not state of the art.  And many would prefer a tube sound or whatever sound pleases them.  Having an all in one gives up the whole idea of tweaking fun.  Even if your DAC part is state of the art......your amp is not. Because you have one less interconnect does not mean much at all.  I run a 2 foot hardwired balanced cable from the discrete output stage of my modded Oppo directly to my custom input circuit on my mono 1200AS1 modules.  No preamp, no connectors....pretty darn nice.  Your DAC looks fantastic, but I would not want to be limited to todays stock amp modules. 

Mike,

Simply not true about you having anything to do with the price of 1200AS2 amps being sold today.  No manufacturer can sell an amp that costs them way less in parts and sell it for more than another amp they sell that has way more money in the parts......especially, when they are showing the insides of their amps and all can see.  The 1200AS2 is a stereo module with built in power supply.  The NC500 is a separate mono output stage that needs a separate custom input stage board and a separate power supply board.  So, a stereo NC500 amp requires 6 boards that cost way, way more than one single 1200AS2 module.  The companies that sell the 1200AS2 are just pricing them according to parts cost.  You had nothing to do with it.....you just want a pat on your back....well, I applaud you for first telling everyone how good they sound.  They are really great amps and especially when tweaked and run mono.  They are not state of the art, no matter what you do to them.  I am pretty sure a pair of AudioNet Heisenberg amps ($105K) would be preferred by most.  However, for $2K....they are mighty fine.

Mike,

You are starting in with your paranoia thing again. I took my amps to someones house. I don’t lie. I don’t need no stinkin pictures. This is just the first time of many A/Bs versus your amp and many others. Stay tuned for a long ride.

Because you cannot do something does not mean someone else cannot.  I have been listening, tweaking, modifying and manufacturing high end audio for over 40 years.

There is no such thing as uncolored.  Everything has a sound.  Even one piece of wire 4 inches long has a sound.  Every Class D amp using the same module will have a different sound because everything matters.  When the NC400 amp module came out a few years ago the Objectivists declared it perfect.....measured perfect, so must be great.  I did a mod on them where I changed the polyester output filter caps to modified stacked polypropylene caps.  It sounded much better.  Here is a link to a thread where this is talked about....notice the resistance from those who have not heard it but "know" that this mod cannot make a difference. 

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=118868.0

So, was the amp "uncolored" before the mod or after it?  Neither...just better sounding.

Mike (Mr. Mivera) has stated that his more expensive versions of his amp with the thicker chassis and better wire and jacks sound better than his less expensive ones.  They will not measure any different.  So, which is "uncolored".  I A/Bed my new prototypes to Mikes amps and his amps sound very "colored" in comparison.   So, does that make my amps "uncolored".......no, just less colored.  There are and will be amps down the road that are even less colored than mine.

I have made a class A amp that has very little color.  However, I do prefer the modded IceEdge.  But, I am rebuilding the class A amp so it will be way, way better.  Will I still prefer the class D?  This game is never ending.  There is no perfect anything.  What you get with the latest tweaked modules is incredible sound for very little money.  Tomorrow, they will be boat anchors.......he he......for a very tiny boat.

Brewmaster,

No cardboard in my new 1200AS1 dual mono amps.  But, if you like I will put some in for you. 

I follow you around.......yes, Mike I am a stalker.  Yes, your threads get a lot of traffic (because of the drama...hey, who doesn't want to watch a good fight?)......till they are deleted.  And how has that benefited me?  I don't lie. I heard a pair of your amps with the best jacks and wire and run mono with $225 fuses.....I never said they were SE....they are your one quarter inch thick versions.  Now, you will state that your one half inch thick versions sound way better so my A/B is nonsense.  My chassis is one eight inch thick......he he. My "hacked science project" is just your jealousy for not being able to make the modules sound better.  So, now you are attacking........you see, it is a never ending spiral with you.  You cannot let go.  Everything is an attack to you, so you keep swinging your sword.  I will not respond to anything more you say as I have stated my truth and it does not need to be repeated.  I hope the thread continues as it is an important view to discuss.  I bless you and wish you happiness and peace.

1200AS amps that are being sold are less expensive because they have less money in them and are easier to build. Mike had nothing to do with the pricing of these amps. If one manufacturer would charge twice as much for their 1200 based amps then another one could charge half and get literally ALL the business. Mike just likes to beat his chest and claim he has moved mountains.

The 1200 amps do not measure better than the best class A or A/B amps. They do not make as good of square waves, they have switching noise on all signals. They are not better than all class A or A/B amps. And this is from a guy that thinks the 1200 module with mods and run mono sounds incredible. I am hoping my amp will compete with most anything under $10,000 or even more. But worlds best? No way. Class A already dead? No way. Better measurements? No way.

Wherever Mike goes is a fight. He has been kicked off several forums and made a mess on his forum on Audiocircle. He states things so righteously that anyone with a differing opinion wants to fight him back. A lot of threads where he participates get deleted....including most of his threads on his now gone Audiocircle forum circle. He is really smart. However, he is his own worst enemy. His behavior creates people who do not like him (some outright hate him)........so he limits his income and his ability to make a difference in the world. I like Mike. I find him funny. You know, like one of those neurotic characters on a tv sitcom. Of course, the same character gets tiring. I hope he grows up. There is half truth in what he says.....the module (even stock and a single stereo) has beaten all kinds of class D, A/B and A amps. Don’t sell this baby short. I offer a 30 day in house trial and I will pay the shipping to you if you send it back....you only pay for return shipping. This would be the same as having a tour....the only difference is you get to keep it for 30 days and have some money deposited by the manufacturer.

Class D is maturing. It is not what some think here. My 1200 amp is really, really great. However, it is not the holy grail and will be surpassed, even at its price point within a couple of years.

Mike,

If you had a scope and looked at any waveform coming out of the amp you will see the 500K switching noise riding along.  ALL class D amps have this.  Is it audible.....maybe not....does it look gross.  yes.

You think everything is an attack, that is your problem.  I was just describing (very fairly) your behavior (past and present).  I mean you no harm.  I hope you can take the feedback and grow up.  If not, then wherever you go the same story will ensue.  You cannot keep doing the same behavior and expect different results.