cost of speakers in relation to the rest of the system


I don't intend this to be a "How much should I spend for speakers" question.  Seems a number of folks generally recommend a third to two-thirds.  My question is, generally for discussion, whether folks found happiness and "success" in spending significantly less than that.  Or--by price, are you happy with speakers that might be considered by some folks outclassed by your other equipment and don't think the speakers are the "weak link?"

As a "favorite" professor might have said too often, "Discuss."

I would think there would be a number of Maggie MMG/1.7 folks, Tekton DI folks, probably some Omega folks, some vintage speaker folks.... others?
stfoth

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I'm a real value oriented kind of guy with my Focals and Pass amp. 
Focal 936's and Pass F5 clone, that is. 
I bought the speakers new and I love them. I built the amp. I built the speaker cables. And I restored the old Marantz feeding the Pass. It's an ongoing project. I don't have the money to blow on silliness just to see how it sounds. I have to evaluate what I've got, figure out what's going to improve it, and figure out how to make it or get it at a reasonable price. 
The amp cost just under $1000 to build and I built it like a beast. It's definitely worth of the speakers. The cables we're under $75. I need to figure out what to do with the Marantz now. Listening this well could cost a lot more money than I've spent. 
My price ratio is always going to be a little ridiculous because of my resource limitations and inexplicable urge to learn, build, test, and experiment. At some point I’m going to dig into cables and build better versions of my 11.5g 6 way round braid. I only built these to learn the difference a cable design can make. And a difference it certainly makes. One of the things that I kept reading that reaffirmed my purchase of the Focal 936 is that they have a tendency to exploit the best gear you put behind them. And exploiting a Pass F5 they certainly are! The thing with building stuff is I can build a stack of Pass designs, hunt down a good DAC, make some pretty nice cables, tweak every component to perfection, and still not spend what I did on those speakers. Speakers, if you ask me, are way too complicated for me to build. I have no tools to make and finish cabs. I have no supercomputers to model how they behave. I don't have the money to buy piles of caps, resistors, and inductors to voice the things with. I see a tremendous value in buying well designed speakers because, unlike an amp which if you just clone well upholds the design specs, it takes tremendous resources to design drivers, cabs, and crossovers to sound like anything good. $4000 buys you and obscene amount of quality and R&D in a speaker these days. Minor alterations to cloning a speaker design can destroy it's sound. 
There's the cost of making a thing, and then there's the R&D to develop the thing and bring it to market. Engineers don't work for free and the equipment they use isn't cheap. 
As for the electronics side of this hobby, having built a very decent amp, I can promise you that you're paying a crazy amount of money for the box they put the stuff inside of. If I bought the transistors in my F5 in bulk and matched them myself, they would have literally cost cents a piece. The caps in the power supply, the trim pots, and the non-inductive resistors in the feedback were about the only parts that cost more than $1. Buying in bulk the way a manufacturer does, they get much cheaper. 
Those crazy fancy cases that a lot of companies bolt the circuits into are at least half the cost of the product, probably much more than half in many cases. Do you think a Dan D'agastino amp chassis is cheap to make? It costs more than anything inside of it, I'm certain. Looks sell electronics even more than they do with speakers. At least a speaker might look weird for a functional reason. Electronics just look weird for the sake of looking weird so you'll pay more for it. Personally I'd like a stack of nondescript boxes that just do what they do very well and distract me as little as possible from listening. Spare me the glowing meters and flashing lights. If I want to know what my amp is doing, I'll bust out my thermometer and look. Yep... still hot as a toaster! Resume listening.... 
@jbreezy5 

I think you and I are of the same school of thought. It may not be the norm to put obscenely capable amplification behind a pair of speakers, but it certainly pays dividends. I'm not soaked in cash, but I want the best I can possibly afford and the only way I was ever going to own 75 watts of Pass amp was to build the thing and I'm not at all sorry I did. Focal 936's are very decent speakers, but there's certainly much better. But who's putting an amp like this behind them and really exploiting what they can do to their fullest potential? 
It's a work in progress. I'm really happy with the results so far and I'm eager to see how much better I can make it.