@ jmcgrogan2, I am a tube lover myself,I am waiting for a Ayon cd-2s digital player that has 4 6h30 tubes,I wanted to try out Ayon,and If I like the sound of this player,it will land on my second system,I will get the Ayon cd-5s that has a real analogue pre-amp in side of it,this will keep cable cost down,since I can only aford one Taralabs zero gold 1-meter I/c,I love the realistic presatation of tubes,but love the accurate sound signature of a good solid state amp,to me,tubes and solid state combo is awsome!,I also love the full sound of Krell amps,I guess I like deep defined accurate bass with a sound stage to die for with the tube combo.happy listening! |
@ jmcgrogan2,I had to add that I love vinyl as well,It seems that I got myself into such high cost of cables, that I can only run a cd-player direct to amp,as I said,If I like the sound of Ayon 2s, I will get the 5s,then I can work toward vinyl,since the 5s has a real analogue pre, versus a very well made,one of the best digital volume controls out there, very close to an analogue pre-amp volume control 2s,the 5s has all the pre-amp connections to make vinyl possible,I plan to modify the hell out of the 2s thou,from the a/c cord, to changeing the stock tubes, to changeing all the stock fuses,to changeing out the a/c cord iec connection on the player its self to a furtech,maybe some tube resonators,I do not know about that decision yet,there is drawbacks to that scenerio.cheers! |
@ jmcgrogan2,again, If the componet does not sound very real with the cables I have that componet is history, thats why I am doing The Ayon 2s player first,Its better to make A $6,350.00 mistake versus a $12,500 mistake,thou up-on research,none of this should result in a mistake,as I said before,I make damm sure the possibility that the player will sound good before I purchase it,with crazy obsessive research and user feedbacks of the componet in question.cheers! |
@ jmcgrogan2,I have already thought about what you just posted about the tubes,My answer would be 6h30p-DR and 6c4p in the power supply,I would still gain the dynamics you described,I will also benefit more transparency than the stock tubes and gain the liquid sound you mentioned,the krell 700cx alone to me has some of the best sounding mid-range I have heard from solid state,the dr-tubes will be pre 1986 Russian tubes of course,I'm told the earlier tubes are made to military specs and sound way better than 2013 tubes,very exspensive,I suppose you get what you pay for!,interesting,you seem to know alot about tubes!,I will look forward to your opinions and recommendations,you have my respect!cheers! |
Hi grey9hound,I am confused?,you have bi-amp speakers,I see you are asking about interconnects,why?,unless I am wrong,I have never heard of useing i/c on speakers with the exception of sub-woofers that require an i/c,if you can clarify my confusion I may put my two cents worth in.cheers! |
@ jmcgrogan2,Hi,My response to your 3-8-13 post would be that I want a little of that liquid sound,so I will use nos 6h30p-DR tubes and maybe nos 6c4p tubes in the power supply of the ayon player,interesting you know alot about tubes,I look forward to your opinions and recommendations,you have my respect.,happy listening! |
@ jmcgrogan2,Hi,My response to your 3-8-13 post would be that I want a little of that liquid sound,so I will use nos 6h30p-DR tubes and maybe nos 6c4p tubes in the power supply of the ayon player,interesting you know alot about tubes,I look forward to your opinions and recommendations,you have my respect.,happy listening! |
@ grey9hound,Hi,are you tring to improve the sound of a pair of bi-ampable speakers?,I know you said bass,thats not the question,bass will come with my two cents worth,run the speaker set-up by me again to clarify my thoughts,cheers! |
@ dave_b,I believe you are talking about tubes,I agree!the nos 6h30p-Dr supper tubes is exactly what I am talking about,man-o-man,,you said super or better,ok,tell me what is better,I was not aware of that tube!,thankyou,I welcome all knowledge of audio,no one knows it all!,defiantly not me!cheers! |
@ dave_b,I believe you are talking about tubes,I agree!the nos 6h30p-Dr supper tubes is exactly what I am talking about,man-o-man,,you said super or better,ok,tell me what is better,I was not aware of that tube!,thankyou,I welcome all knowledge of audio,no one knows it all!,defiantly not me!cheers! |
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@ grey9hound,are you useing one amp with 4 speaker outputs for bi-amping,or two amps? |
Hi Grey9hound, I know there is opinions out there,I will base mine on facts!,1.I have bi-amp speakers my self,2.I use to run two sets of cables,3.I use jumper cables that are directional,they have arrow signs to show the way to use the cables for the signal,4.speaker cables are larger in diameter on the most part,5.jumpers need to have a fair size diameter around themselfs,6.all speaker cables for bi-amping need to run to the bottom post,thats most likely where the main connection is for the cross-over inside the speakers,7.most bi-amp speakers come with a little cheap plate of some sorts to connect all 4 binding post of the speakers to get all the drivers to work,8.a signal looses its intergrity the further it has to travel!even inside componets!,9.based on the last previous fact,It makes since that a quality jumper that is 8" to 10" will loose less signal purity!10.never use a cable that is one cable with 4 cable ends!,for example,a nordost vahalla regular speaker cable that is made for two inputs of course, has two ends with all of its conductors,when nordost makes a bi-amp speaker cable,they do not double the conductors!,most cable brands do not!mmmm,why?the cable would be twice the price on the most part!,and most of the science of the cables inductace and capcitence would be out the window!,in other words,the cable was not designed that way to begin with!,11.It makes good scientific since to run jumpers,they do not need to be the same in diameter around as the speaker cables do!,since they are a whole lot shorter and loose alot less signal intergrity and you are not splitting the mass of the conductors versus bi-amping cables..fially 12.jumpers sound even better than running 4 complete seperate speaker cables as well!,,now!,I do not want to sound like a Taralabs cable pusher,I am a consumer,you can buy what ever brand you want,unfortunally they will not have the same sound!,,I have the Taralabs omega gold speaker cables that are crazy exspensive,are out of reach for most audiophiles!,the Taralabs omega jumpers I have are only $800.00 10" and come with bannanas and spades,In the reach of most audiophiles!,I even put them with the speaker cable called the one,to see what that sounded like recently!,these jumpers are not on the tara web site,call tara and ask for devon,and tell him keith henry, down in mobile,ala told you to call,tell him to get the omega jumpers made and sent to your addresse,,the conductors are wound in a helix configeration the same as the omega speaker cables themselfs with air tubes inside like the omega series cables have,only the omega speaker cables are made this way,the rest of the tara line up is not!now thats if you want them!now for the bomb!,these tara omega jumpers are the most profound improvement to bi-amp speakers I have ever heard!I have listened to alot of other jumpers,not remotely close in transparency or in eany other way possible!,,man-o-man,to tell you the truth,honestly,I would scrap the fricken cardas cables,and use tara the one speaker cables on the bottom speaker post and run the omega jumpers signal from bottom to the top post!I will literally Kiss your axx if you do not believe this is the best sound for the money,I would even get the jumper and use it with the cardas untill you get the tara the one speaker cables,,the tara set-up I am recommending the one speaker cables,the omega jumper cables,is fricken to die for!If you want such a realistic sound that it becomes emotional and tears fly about,this is it!,you also will have bass debpth and incredible slam!,you will have happy listening,cheers! |
@ Tls49 Hi,Thankyou for agreeing that jumpers sound better than bi-amping cables,another major reason I failed to admit to all here,Is the fact I cannot afford another pair of Taralabs omega gold speaker cables as well,for bi-amping?LOL! I do not think so, even if I had the money!,$24,000.00 a 8'ft pair retail!,like I said, you do not need another whole cable,jumpers,if you get a really good one is good enough for sound and the wallet!,grey9hound,something does not seem right?,gee,what are the specifications of the speakers you are useing?,if you have the jumpers turned the wrong way,what you described for sound useing the jumpers is what happens,I turned my jumpers around,LOL!,the wife come running in the audio room,she said,what happened!,the sound difference was really obvious!,and what brand and model of jumpers were you useing?,I had the oppisite effect!,useing the jumpers versus bi-amping speaker cables the sound with the jumpers yielded a better sound in every way possible,useing directional jumpers matter alot!,grey9hound,I like you,I hope I can help!cheers! |
@ grey9hound,I understand what bi-amping is,At this point,like I said,what are your speakers and the specifications?,120 watts per channel should have no problem with a 8ohm speaker,unless the sensitivity of the said speaker is very low!this matters!,tell me what speakers you have and the model and I will do my own research to help you ,if you want my help?cheers! |
Hi Grey9hound,another gentleman in another thread has me being his cable broker LOL!,so I will be yours too,The very wise jmcgrogan2 brought to my attention xlr to rca adapters,there are some well made gold plated adapters in the i/c section of the gon for $30.00!,then at the same time this is your golden chance to be in the tara family,the air 1 series 2 1.5 meters i/c for $480.00, a deal!these are $1,700.00 new!,then there is another air 1 series 2 on the gon for $650.00,if you can find the means you better jump on the awsome deal of $480.00,the i/c called the one is 2 times better than the air 1!,but I believe it is alot better than most cables costing the same retail vs retail!,this air 1 would blow the doors off the analysis plus cable you are not happy with!remember, 300 hrs of break-in before you make your evaluations of this cable!,grey9hound,this is a great opportunity to save alot of money and get some decent bass and slam you are seeking!goodluck on buying this cable,with the adapters,I would! cheers! |
@ Grey9hound,dude!,those are some pretty good speakers!,92 sensetivity! 6ohms!,man-o-man!it is defiantly not the speakers that are the problem!,you need to know what two speaker post are the primary two of the four,you could not have had directional jumpers!on most bi-amp speakers,the post that drive the woofers are the bottom primary post,then you turn the signal going from there, directing to the top post,if they drive the mids and highs,with directional jumpers,if the top post drive the woofers?,reverse the whole scenerio.there is no way that directional jumpers will not work!If I were there i would fix till it was fixed!,LOL!the post that drive the woofers should be the primary post.,you should of heard my system when I turned the jumpers the wrong way!screwed!the sound was terrible,like the description you gave with the way you used the jumpers,or they were not quality jumpers!,oh,jumpers take as long to break-in as speaker cables,mmmmyep!300 hrs should do!cheers! |
@ grey9hound,what are you talking about?,waite a minute,I'm not that dumb!LOL!Ok,I will take a look,thanks grey9hound. |
@ jmcgrgan2,I agee!,great that you are helping to look out for grey9hound,thankyou,hope he does one of these cables!it would give him what he is looking for with sound!,taralabs the 2 is better than the taralabs air 1 series 2.,jmcgrogan2 has some great advice here,grey9hound.cheers! |
@ waxwaves,In my experience,putting a good i/c between the pre-amp and amp yields the best sound,I would experiment between the both if I were you,you may like the i/c between the source and pre-amp better?congradulations waxwaves on buying your cable,you already have the patience to know 300 hrs of break-in on eany cable used or new before evaluating them!,the answer to your question,will this tara model blow the doors off that particular analysis plus,well based on the feedback on this thread,yes,why?,you will not have a forward sound!caution!you need to know that this particular model tara will not have the resolution as the model called the 2 and models on up from there of the tara familly,I will tell you it is a fine cable at its full retail price compaired to alot of other brands and models at the same price point!,the good thing here is that the cable you bought like all taras will not be analitical sounding at all!,your particular model will be warm sounding with a round defined bass sound with exceptional body to boot!,and forgiving to brightness in a system.welcome to tara waxwaves,for the money of the model you bought I believe you will have no regrets for its pricepoint!cheers! |
@grey9hound,I am sorry,I was only tring to help,I believe you may be correct,the amp may be the problem,I will tell you it is not the power per channel you have!your speakers are 6oms and most likely dip to 5 or 4and a half oms while playing,my speakers that are 6 oms will dip to 4 oms at times!check and see if the amp is designed for impedences such as the specs I am talking about,there is alot of high priced amps out there that will not drive speakers with low impedences,one way to check is to see if your amp doubles in power from 8oms load to 4 oms load,give me the answer if you do not mind,thanyou grey9hound,cheers! |
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@ waxwaves,I had the cables I believe you bought on watch,so I could keep up with them,If grey9hound wanted to buy them,waxwaves,you got a awsome,hell of a deal!,way to go!very much cheers! |
gentlemen,did eany of you see the legendary quad ESL63 electrostatic speakers on sale on the gon?these are some great speakers from the good ole golden age of audio that would compete very well against alot of the over priced,over hyped speakers they sell nowdays!cheers! |
@ waxwaves,where are you?you have comments on whats been said about your cable or eany thing here?cheers! |
@ grey9hound,wow!,I am lost for words!This is a odd situation!,please let me know so I can learn from you when you figure out the problem!I do not believe I can from here!Jmcgrogan2,can you give some advice here?cheers! |
@grey9hound,My source is my pre-amp!a cd combo,I can agree with what you are saying,everybodys systems are different,so it depends to what the owner hears where they may place the i/c,I would experiment to hear were the i/c needs to be placed that waxwaves bought and see what yields the best results on his system,compliments on your speakers that you have,they are very attractive!cheers! |
@ waxwaves,good to see you are still around,after your cable does 300 hrs of burn-in,I want to know your thoughts on the sound here on this thread,I believe grey9hound does too,cheers! |
Thanks grey9hound for posting the last,I was very currious to know the outcome!cheers! |
@ blueranger,Hi,what model of tara did you compair to the kimber kgac?,is this i/cs we are talking about,speaker cables,a/c cords,what?interesting!,I do know kimber does not have in exsistance a top tier cable that can remotely compair to taras upper end cables,and a compairison to the zero gold i/c and omega gold speaker cables,cabolt a/c power cord is essentially a JOKE!,do not take my word on this,go and hear for your self!,some of the bottom of the line Taras may not better some cables,but Taras best,thats another ball game in its own!cheers,and happy listening to you! |
where are you at grey9hound?,I do like talking on these threads you know,the wife does not like talking high-end audio!,she thinks I'm a broken record player of some sorts!LOL!cheers! |
@ Blueranger,I wouldnt worry about it,The kgac is a nice cable!,Tara's technology just like everybody elses in 18 years is better,really,back then there was a couple of model taras that I did not like the sound of,one such cable that I owned came out before Decade did,the rsc master gen 2,very stiff cable,sounded like crap to me!,the Decade come out and I was In love with Taralabs all over again,LOL!cheers! |
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grey9hound and waxwaves,where are you guys at?waxwaves,have you got your cable yet? |
@waxwaves,The Air 1 and Air 2 does not use a grounding station!,the ends of the little jumpers plug into each other,go to the net and read on how to use the cable,the current offerings from tara only has what they call the extreme series cables that use an outboard grounding station,the extreme series cables are,the zero edge,the zero onyx,the zero gold.the model called the one and two and 0.8ex has ism on board,other words,a smaller grounding station made onto the cables them selfs and the jumper cables plug into them selfs on them cables too,only one side of the extreme series cables plug into each other and thats the receiving end of the signal.believe me when I say this!,It matters that you plug the jumper lead wires together on the air 1 cable that you bought!,Its the same on all their cables that have the jumpers!,please feel free to ask questions about these cables,I will help!cheers! |
@ grey9hound,I looked for your cables for sale on the gon but have not seen them so far.cheers! |
@ waxwaves,The newest version of the air one is the air oneEX,that surpasses the model you have in sound by alot,way more transparent,if you like the cable you bought,I would not get the air 2!,I would go out of my way,to get the air1EX!It is a new designed cable,a different animal of a cable you just got!bar-none,it sets the bench mark at the pricepoint it sells at for all cables!,I would dare say its 2 times better than the cable you have now!,on the other hand for what you paid for the cable you have,you will not find a better cable for the used money you paid,in other words,$500.00 to $500.00 would be the fair comparison!cheers! |
@ waxwaves,connecting the two small lead jumpers together turns on the rf/emi shielding,makes the cable alot more transparent!, cheers! |
@ waxwaves,I do not mean to sound like I know everything about Taralabs,I have been buying and useing them most of my life,ever since Taralabs has been in exsistence,I buy new cables direct from the factory is how well they know me,I have tried other cables over the years but always came back to the Tara sound,do not get me wrong here,I like a brand called transparent,a couple of models of nordost,a couple of models of purist audio,there is no best, no such thing as a best cable,I prefer Tara,some may not,to me,Tara works well with most tube and solid state equipment,but not all of them!,waxwaves you are welcome to come to my house and drink a beer anytime!,I do want to make sure you give your Tara cable adequate time to burn in before you make evaluations,300 hrs no matter what!,new are not,this will insure that you do not have bad impressions and get surprised for the better latter,tara cables are a little stuburn when breaking in!,in the end I am confident you will love them,cheers! |
@ waxwaves,you are very welcome. |
@ grey9hound,there you are,I was wondering about you,you have not said much the last few days,whats-up? |
@ skoczylas,cool,we look forward to your review.cheers! |
@ grey9hound,wow!you are busy!you can ask the others,I really have a simple two channel system for the main,the second system will be doing what you have said when I am done building it,the two will be for different type of enertainment,the main,pure real sound,cost no object,the other one for movies,good sound,turn table,radio,computer,etc.. you get the picture.,thanks for getting back to me,cheers! |
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@ grey9hound,wow,you have been busy,the answer to your question is no,I would like to do some things like that with second system,the main system is 2 channel high-end only,the second system will be a different kind of entertainment system than the main,the second system when I get done will be alot like yours,t.v.flat screen,computer,media server etc...,good to here from you!,I would ask one of the other guys for an answer with your question,cheers! |
@ waxwaves,you get I/C yet? |
@ waxwaves,I am very happy for you waxwaves!,you got an awsome deal on top of that!,as time gos on we can elaborate more on the sound of your cable,you need to be specific on your model name,theres a difference,you have the air 1 series 2,not the air1,this is to keep the readers out there to not get confused,Happy listening! |
@ grey9hound,I enjoy talking to you,you have not said much!,this is your thread,I hope you keep it going,what are you doing?,are you still wanting to change the sound of your system?,I love the idea that you have a complete entertainment system,Awsome!,cheers! |
@ grey9hound,sounds like a very good plan!,you are working on with your set-up,still in all you can talk to us,we wont bite,LOL!,hell,we can even talk about systems we wish for and the differences between what we all come up with here,that alone grey9hound will be an extensive topic to talk about here!,I liked your passion when we first talked and so I enjoy talking with you,waxwaves likes talking to you,everybody does!I enjoy your input!,post something.cheers! |
@ waxwaves, pops took the plunge!,He bought a 5-meter taralabs 0.8EX for the pre to amp,go to our other thread and post your thoughts ole chap!,and while you at it pass me a beer!,cheers! |
where are you at waxwaves?,I pm you a few days ago and have no response yet,and you have not got to my post for you here and the other thread,the one,0.8 thread,waxwaves? |
@ grey9hound,, stick to the Taras! you have a good plan to follow with the taras,, as you can see, nobody that bought them had no regrets! cheers! |
@ waxwaves, wow! I really enjoyed reading your review on the taralabs cables you have ,Awsome!,,that was so good,you should be a reviewer! Happy listening! |
@ waxwaves and @ grey9hound,, Thankyou gentlemen for the kind words and putting up with me and my persistence,, I get passionate about taras!,I love them! Happy listening! |
