Jazz for aficionados

orpheus10, you need to find a real doctor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KntKPfAq3j0

orpheus10, yes, that’s my point. Find a female doctor, sometimes they are better for unclear cases. Their often deeper perception and intuition guide them. They are also usually better at sharing pain.
Take care.

Thinking is an advanced process and cannot possibly concern them.

I've never heard McLaughlin play a pop tune at a restaurant. It takes place in Monaco, I understand, that's where he lives. Quite a  life-affirming song. I thought that the singer was good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ1SaCHoakk

Nah, he is too white to play blues and he is not McLaughlin to play East/West. Sorry boys, no good.

Sonny Rollins strikes me as irrelevant, by the way. Maybe he should've stayed on that bridge a little longer.

Mind if I stop by ? I was looking for some progressive modern jazz recommendations and found a kind of political/ideological discussion.
The greatest force for good is the force that does least evil. Isn't it obvious ? Anyway, what would you recommend to listen to to someone who admires Bitches Brew by Miles and Mahavishnu Orchestra?
Orpheus10 once suggested Niels Molvaer. I like him, the best performance I could find on youtube was called Live&direct. Besides Niels the drummer there is first class, the rest are good too. True modern jazz in my perception.

Frogman, thank you, I am well familiar with them all. I meant something more modern. But Molvaer is really good, I think, Miles-like to a degree but not quite, definitely has his own style and vision.

I think, Terje 's got something, I scanned a few of his concerts on youtube, but..he is no McLaughlin or even Peter Cosey and Reggie Lucas who played with Miles. Molvaer stands way above him, in my opinion. At his best, Niel's soaring trumpet is delightful and deep. And I am quite hard to please.

Ghosthouse, thank you, I'll check them all out.
This is especially for you. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tjAljotRMk

Ghosthouse, I understand. Connecting on emotional level is very subjective, and we all know it very well.
McLaughlin's music, whatever he plays, if you listen carefully, is very unusual and complex, as is his personality. He is not easily accessible. Nor is Miles Davis.

Miles's influence on modern progressive music is incomparable. But I think that McLaughlin influenced many as well, especially guitar players. He is a unique musician and can play in many musical traditions. 

How about this ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6R5wb9iY6I

Ghosthouse, sorry, I just like Nils Molvaer.

Orpheus10, you are in Santana mood today. This should be compatible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1QST4cJrzs

Blues, perhaps? You got to be fast to follow him. The man was not far from death at the time of the performance, and he knew it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpzLTJ_9twc

And this is a nice romantic slightly masochistic tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up6K4bmfaA0

Orpheus10, I believe this is the best acoustic guitar album of all times. It is deeper than Friday Night in San-Francisco. Bad digital sound from 80s. I have it on Japanese pro record, that's the best one can do.

Ghosthouse, no I have never heard of them.
Well, it appears that my taste is mostly quite different, with some exceptions.

Orpheus10, he is Iranian not Arab. You should never get confused, they don't tolerate it. And I am not at all an expert in flamenco.
Frogman, I first wanted to comment on your comments but changed my mind. In any case, I doubt that my intention was to elicit in you what got elicited. 
Yes, the tape project will come in my circle at the right moment. This will be either Otari or Studer.

Orpheus10, I will try. Thank you for your support.

And before what was played before Miles was also Miles. I think, he needed no-one in a usual sense. Everything that was played with Miles and everyone who played with Miles were also in essence him. He simply couldn't play all the instruments required to play what he wanted to be played, nor could he do it at the same time. Milie's bands were one man bands. And yet he managed to bring out the best in everyone he played with. He was a unique musician and a very unusual person with special abilities.

It appears that there are no musical ideas at all there. Generally speaking, I think that Scandinavians have a much better sense of jazz and jazz fusion.
About Miles. I read, right or wrong, that after the 'Bitches Brew' he said to McLaughlin that he would be happy to have him in his band on a permanent basis and explore the new music together. At the same time he advised him to form his own band and continue independently. That's what gave an additional impulse to John's Mahavishnu Orchestra project.

When it comes to jazz fusion as I understand the term - no-one, except Nils Molvaer, but he is not in the same league.
I stopped listening to classical jazz a long time ago.
Going outside fusion, El Camaron de la Isla - the greatest flamenco singer of modern times, perhaps ever; some Paco de Lucia and Al Di Meola albums, Dead Can Dance, Suspended Memories - tribal ambient, some exotic unusual vocals - Sussan Deyhim, Azam Ali, Rasa, some Middle Eastern music, especially Persian, some neo-classical - "Umbersun" by Elend comes to mind, some of Malmsteen when he is at his best - listen to his concert with New Japan Philharmonic-, and from time to time I find interesting enough videos on youtube by others. Overall, I like very few, both artists and compositions.

This is real thing too, very to the point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbCYRPAfkA8

The recording quality would've been excellent had it been analog ! All three of them are great but listen to John's solos.

Something totally different. I don't listen to it often but I do listen to it.
Tony Scott - Music for the Zen Meditation. He plays with Japanese musicians.

For acoustic work by Al Di Meola I suggest "Cielo e Terra" and "Heart of the Immigrants" albums. Some tracks from "Kiss my Axe" are quite good too, the composition entitled "Morocco" is certainly worth the attention.

Yes, that's the album. 
Orpheus10, very nice video. Argentinian tango is sensual and elegant. 

So dark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf7uHcEPiDI

All the music of this kind has been written and played, and rewritten and replayed. You can't do better or even often not worse. We need new music, a breakthrough, at least comparable to Miles's and McLaughlin's seventies.
I agree with the thought that jazz is mostly a way to play music. It is also a way to listen to this music. Then there will be a resonance.
Improvising is difficult and one needs to have a great 'sense of risk' to do it right.

Orpheus10, I think original German record will sound best. I tried to find a Japanese copy but there appears to be none available.

For me Santana is at his best when playing with McLaughlin. But I have Abraxas too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0pp1yAivrA

I think, they are not bad, could be a little more sophisticated. For some reason I liked the last two tracks most. I checked their other albums as well. I like tribal ambient music.
You could try Steve Roach/Jorge Reyes - Vine Bark&Spore album. I play it quite often as a background music. It doesn't call to attention to it, not invasive in any way, creates certain mindscapes and surroundings. You don't have to listen to it in a usual sense, it is more that it will listen to you.

Vine bark&spore is available from amazon.
Telepathic communication would beat anything I can imagine. Primitive cultures or primal basic cultures?

Orpheus10, you are too pessimistic. Yes, it would cost, and shipping RTR deck has its risks, but it's worth it. There is no end of the road. If I get Otari and at some point will have to ship it to Japan to properly service it, I will ship it to Japan. The same with Studer. I will find places in Europe if I can't find them in the US or Canada.  My audiophile fund is quite limited, but I will save up and get it done. It might take time to find qualified people prepared to deal with shipping decks, I'll find them. For now I am about to ship my Nakamichi 682ZX deck to Willy Hermann in California to have it cleaned aligned and for minor repairs. He will spend 5-6 hours with the deck to make sure everything is in top condition. Yes, it would cost me around $850 including shipping both ways. But I play the deck a lot and have to do it only every 5-7 years.
So, things are pretty bad but not that bad.

Also, if it is really bad with money, I have a few records and a few older pieces of equipment that I could easily sell if I have to, this would give me extra $1k-$1.5k. Hell, I could even sell couple of my custom knives that I would replace later. I could buy a good looking Otari for about $1k right now but I won't because of extra expenses. This would be a serious project not just getting another source. Generally speaking, I don't care much about vinyl, it is an excellent medium for archive, I only like tape.

I think, that before this Studer/Otari project I will want to replace my phono stage, which is pretty good, with a great tube one, and then replace the cartridge. After that I will be ready. But, I could do it in the reverse order too, I guess. I don't have to decide it right now. But eventually there will be no turntable or cd player in my main system, only RTR deck, amps and speakers. Turntable and cd player will be in another system or in the closet until needed.

I always go straight to tape from phono, never use amp's tape output.

Orpheus10, yes I know that you do analog/digital and then digital/analog conversion. But I think, I'll keep it analog without any conversions. Besides, my knowledge of computers approaches zero.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T0V0w6fzUM

No Ghosthouse, I wouldn't listen to this.
Anyone enjoys Joe Zawinul Sindicate music? Not that I do much but at least I can listen to it from time to time in limited quantity.
I am somewhat surprised that so few people participate in this thread. Many exhibit their systems on the system page but little if any active participation. 

Orpheus10, I will keep the orthodox tradition and best sound possible by avoiding conversions. Nor do I need to have record library in the computer. By the way, computers break down all the time including hard drives, your collection their is not safe unless perhaps you also have it on external hard drive, which is more reliable, though can deteriorate too.  No-one I know keeps valuable things only in their computers. Besides, one power surge and computer is gone. Yes, there are some people capable of retrieving information from seemingly ruined hard drives, but that's complicated and expensive.
I will take a leave of this thread now, will be back in a few weeks. Clearly, whatever people currently post here is not really worth my attention. You and I do have certain common ground especially when it comes to acoustic guitar and more unusual music. But I strongly disagree with your statement that there is no such thing as bad taste and that everything is subjective, that's kind of equally valid. However, this subject is far beyond and above this thread and this forum. Just a word of caution. I read a number of posts on Audiogon written by amateur psychologists at best and people having no idea of those things at worst. Let us try to refrain from discussing complicated matters here belonging somewhere else.

This is a great piece not to be outdated regardless of anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVdgNXXbm_k

Let's call it flamenco jazz. The sound is too digital but I couldn't find better quality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY0gQaL_kcg

No, I can't stand those singers from his latest group, that's not flamenco singing.
Solea and his other solo performances I know very well. In a sense, they are better because it's pure flamenco, but you can't really compare. I think that Zyryab performance is excellent. Those two guitarists, clearly his former students, are also excellent.

That Zawinul's Orient Express makes no sense to me. I like him but not as a band leader.
Of course, I know that Paco's tune - new flamenco, nice but not engaging.
I could never convince myself to like Segovia. Not a fan either but when it comes to classical guitar I prefer John Williams overall.

Orpheus10, sure, I quite like di Meola, my favourite album from that time is probably Splendido Hotel.
This is from Casino album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjJ8rAaYcN0&list=PL8a8cutYP7foPEnsOFrSRomq4-FnJemj8

And this is a very different di Meola:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjJ8rAaYcN0&list=PL8a8cutYP7foPEnsOFrSRomq4-FnJemj8

Orpheus10, after Miles and McLaughlin you can listen to that? It's Manhattan restaurant music.

Let's not be too literal, I meant the level. That's the reason why I listen to relatively few recordings.