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orpheus „Women are uniquely different from men, although I don't understand the difference, I appreciate it. Mary Jo, your selections display that difference in a way I can only listen and reflect on; they give us the feminine view of jazz.“ Maybe you intuitively feel that I am postin' the songs according to my emotions at the present moment so you call it 'feminine view of jazz' which is quite an interesting insight, dare to say. : ) And later you posted Nina Simone, who I also see as a strong and a striking singer with should I say a bit 'masculine' attitude. Quite good balance you gave me here. Nina - You'll Never Walk Alone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqdyI570pMo |
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fro Thank you for asking for me, for the great clips and for the „ Stairway to the stars“... Being among the stars we may as well jump a bit on the Moon...
Kenny Burrell – Moon And Sand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuyTO3kaSsk*Wish you all nice day* |
Appreciating pryso's testosterone - less orchestra (beautiful for eyes and ears) and following the nsp' latino rhythm but with testosterone - full orchestra: Dusko Gojkovic and friends, Quo Vadis Samba
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5WxQ8eJJXMBy the way, Dusko played with Chet Baker, Stan Getz, Oscar Pettiford, Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie, Gerry Mulligan and many others... Taking the break from samba with Dusko Gojkovich and 'Ballad For Miles'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUtY5PTVm4oHappy listening jafant. : ) |
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Thank you Orpheus for Baden Powell... |
One more... Imany ’You Will Never Know’ from her debut album ’The Shape of a Broken Heart’ which reached platinum status in France, Greece and triple platinum in Poland. Also nominated in World Music Award for World’s Best Song and Best Video. Official video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4tF9EnbcxULive version with guitar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZn2_j4747Q"With every smile comes my reality, irony You won’t find out what has been killing me Can’t you see me, can’t you see?" |
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Fro, thank you. I admire her of course. Tracey Chapman, a woman with a guitar. This is my favourite: 'Fast car' (2 Grammy nominations) https://youtu.be/DwrHwZyFN7M |
nsp Peppe ’s music is extraordinary. You can almost touch the magic sound that comes out of his instrument, that vivid and palpable mark it leaves. I was introduced by a friend into jazz giants but in the process and in my complete ignorance (that poor knowledge still continues to be) have discovered Peppe by myself. I remember that I said to myself: Omg, who this guy is? Later found out that I run into one of ’the world’s great altoist’ as Scott Yanow, American historian and jazz reviewer once said for Peppe. I very much like this one Art Pepper ’The Prisoner’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5utT5yiQAOomade by Karen Lawrence’s song ’Prisoner’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPFOIBwKf5Q mistakenly thought to be the song written by Barbra Streisand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjMR-A5AaH8- came to be a huge hit after the song was used as the soundtrack for the movie ’Eyes of Laura Mars’ Lyrics "I’ve never been wrong But you’re the the only one I trust to show me the way I always hear your voice And in my dreams I hear you calling my name What is it about you? Some kind of light shines from your face And I can’t turn away. I’m like a prisoner Captured by your eyes, I’ve been taken And I’ve been hypnotized..." *** As for the Dusko in related to Miles, Frogman said it all. And so did you in one of your latest postings. In my opinion, I am quite sure that, the more the artists ’work’ on themselves and their art, the more they are able to shape their own and recognizable sound in the process. I think it’s inevitable. Will they try to suppress their signature or let it out on the open, I guess that’s the matter of their choice & courage & arrogance. Personally, I prefer lousy original over excellent copy (replication). |
Yes fro, no doubt about that... |
Thank you pryso for sharing. Similar was here but with a different song. I understand your sister, that music will ’haunt' us for a long period of time. |
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I like Fever, fro. Know it from Peggy Lee and when Elvis sings it but haven’t yet heard it in Bernadette’s performance. Actually I have perceived her so far only as an actor, so this has come as a surprise to me. Never knew that she had that talent as well. She is daring and shameless in Fever. She says she burns but she actually wanna say: Come away with me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmRT4TVCxG8Love me tender https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gzC29VwE1A |
Folks, anyone knows what has happened to irascible uncle aka rok2id...? Haven't seen him around for quite a while.
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The clip was not meant as a good example of “Fever” We got it fro, but wanted to emphasize our Fever version. (Mine is that one from the Elvis, the king. But even though that’s not the point here, it doesn’t hurt to mention.) Bernadette is such an actor. Her acting abilities serves her singing well. The way she moves, compensates what she wanted to say through words/voice only. Her performance is quite opposite to the one’s from Norah that I posted. It is interesting for me to see how much body language a stage singer uses as opposed to the purely voice interpretation (if such barely exists). How much of the body interpretation should be there to be sent out to the audience and how much of the share goes to voice interpretation only? Where is the balance? I guess this one is unanswerable and can be taken nearly as rhetorical question. |
I just
dropped by to say hello to all of you, 'cause I've been following your
discussions and posts ever since my friend Alex has recommended me this
topic.
I could
not be more grateful to him for doing so since I am jazz newbie, shame to say
that I've just recently allowed jazz music to become music genre of my interest ...so this topic is
just what I was hoping to find, it's like having deeper insight into Jazz Wonderland. And I am travelling through time. Thank
you all for this.
Don't
wanna bother you any further so will just post something that I like and wish
all of you good year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jbE8upWMwk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NReO1caQCxQ
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Thank
you orpheus and pryso for the warm welcome, I appreciate it. The last
clips are great so will boldly follow your example and post 'a
voice' (but more than just a voice) of a lady whose singing I admire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouuRsRz8syM
It gives
me chills every time I listen to this. This song describes, if I am not
mistaken, her life.
p.s. I see that you use expression 'jazzy' to describe someone's personality and I kinda
like it and suppose can guess what does it mean but still, if somebody could tell me more about it...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avUXnAMpFoo
True,
her voice seems like is close to cracking but that doesn't bother me a bit and
from my point of view, what counts is her power to deliver. You may not like
her but surely cannot stay indifferent, 'cause this lady delivers strongly.
As for her personal life that was tightly wrapped up around her singing career, I can
understand that this can bother people and can affect on the way people see her but
could Billie perform the same if she hadn't had the life she had? It seems that
her singing is nondetachable from her personal life. Maybe people like her
precisely because of her 'crack in the voice'. The perfect imperfection.
Orpheus,
thank you for the explanation of being 'jazzy'...I can imagine your jazzy
friend. In Croatian language, the word 'jaz' (with one 'z') signify the amount
of distance between the people or it can literary signify the great hole. For
example we say...there is a big 'jaz' (distance, hole) between us.
So maybe
your friend is slightly distanced towards everybody else and has the mind of
his own, his own and original look or behavior. And that makes him jazzy... :)
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rok2id I might be a jazz newbie but I am surely not a life newbie. From what I can see, you are trying to ’defend’ Billie (I apologize if I am wrong) as if Billie needs a defender and as if she is unwillingly exposed to the eyes of the foreigner in her sorrow. I dare to say that Billie does not need a defender. I see her in her performance more stronger than you can imagine. Despite of the fact that I am a foreigner (therefore you surely can understand her better, that I admit), I am also a human that can ’bleed’, like her, with the same blood color. Also, she performs on the stage and she is perfectly aware of it, yet and in spite of that, she wants to bare her soul in front of the audience by delivering the message that is so intimate for her. Again, that is what artist is for. Work becomes an art once you decide to share it with the world. I would never call her ’sad case’, ’cause she managed to raise the experience of her tragic life on the different level and was magnificent in it and therefore remained to be great in my eyes, an eyes of a foreigner. This is not a lecture from me to you, this is just me trying to write down what I think or feel. I know very well that you appreciate Billie. It is not hard to guess that, I do not need right context for that. *** Alex, very nice songs, I enjoyed listening... frogman, thank you for the welcome words and For All We Know, because for all I know, I like it very much. |
orpheus, I do not mind Rok speaking like that but that was obviously a moment for a mutual ’rough talk’ like Tina would say, we start (do it) easy and finish rough...
I cannot open your video, is this from Kenny Clark album, so that I can find it on the another link?
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I think I should have been more silent... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQKt7DTKyJUrok, I’ve written down ’this is not a lecture from me to you...’ precisely because I don’t want you to see me as someone who knows so little in jazz but gives you a preach about Bille. But somehow even this upsets you again...what a man... Anyway, thank you for the link, I have read it, long time ago... acman3, thank you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Oh-Dl-KbF0
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Frogman, when I saw your 4’33" link and the video from Alex, I thought for a sec that my speakers went crazy. ;) You two gave me huge laugh though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfsmmk93H3I And yes, I am perfectly aware of the fact that intense debate can improve the entire communication and boost everyone’s creativity so do not worry about that. I just do not want to ’hurt’ anybody in the process. :-) Also, thank you for your words of support, you have so soft and gentle touch in your expressions, as if you play music along. This is you talking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldTIXsCXJhc Few posts before, you have written something what I find very important and what is not to be missed. „Do an artist’s personal controversies diminish the art?“ Smart people say that an artist personal controversies should not diminish it’s work as long as the work itself does not reflect the possible bad character of an artist or as long as the work itself does not contain the amoral or similar stuff which could be found in the life of an artist. This obviously means that the work of an art can stand for itself and exist almost as a non material human being with it’s own ’life’ that is completely separated from it’s creator. But still, if you observe things on extreme examples (mild ones are easy to handle), would you think the same? If I take Hitler for instance, could I admire his paintings even if I am aware of his monstrosity at the same time? Certainly not. Back to music... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCDMQqDUtv4 „Tryin’ to make it real, compared to what? C’mon baby!“ Wish you all nice day... |
orpheus: "Irony of ironies Mary_jo; I don’t guess you knew that you posted one of Rok’s most favorite tunes? Compared to What."
Indeed an irony because I didn’t have a clue. Otherwise I would not post it.
Nice title Rok gave me. Jazz Queen of Croatia. I am impressed.
After few days of conversation he decides to clear the confusion. Wow. The confusion that he started in the first place. What a man.
Clearly I was not trying to mock of Billie and if it sounded like that, I could have been asked to clear the things.
The defense rests it’s case.
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I so like it what Orpheus has recently posted on Gene Harris. And I have gone through Alex’s Don Sleet again, sharing Frogman’s opinion on this one. Very nice. If beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder, so does music should lie in the ears of the listener. However, it’s always interesting to observe the way other people see ’my kind of a music’, so the beauty lies in the differences as well. And thank you Frogman for the kind words again. Croatia is indeed pretty. But pity that Croatian people have forgotten to appreciate and nurture what they have so constant race for profit has overpowered the need of preserving the beauty. Pretty pity. It’s raining today... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSh11ZzvKOwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOpD8SOAJnM |
***A humorous footnote: at 3:50 check out the two saxophone players in the front row with the Bros dancing on their tables. The alto player on screen left is cool as a cucumber. The tenor player on his left is a little freaked out as if saying “Holy sh#t , don’t hit me”***
:))))))
If the guy who was freaked out, have had a slide saxophone, one could only guess what would have happened to the dancer...
Pity I can’t find the link of the Snub’s ’The man with the funny little horn’... |
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:)))))
Noo, do not stop, just keep on joking... |
I've been
following the recent discussion carefully and find All of you important, he**, even the 'irascible uncle' is important.
Orpheus,
I do have my list and haven't mentioned it since I've thought (and still do) that few
would care, I mean, what's newbie has to say, really... But since you have
brought up the subject, here is the list:
First
place again by Paul Desmond
The
Wonderful World of Jazz by John Lewis
Kind of
Blue by Miles Davis
So Much
Guitar by Wes Montgomery
Mercy,
Mercy, Mercy! Live at 'The Club' by Cannonball
Know What I Mean? by
Cannonball
Winter
Moon by Art Pepper
Midnight
Blue by Kenny Burrell
Let's
get lost by Chet Baker
Alone
Together by Chet Baker
Chet by
Chet Baker
The Legendary Sessions by Chet Baker and Bill Evans
But Beautiful by
Bill Evans and Stan Getz
Duke
Ellington & John Coltrane by Duke and John
John
Coltrane and Johnny Hartman by John and Johnny Blue Train by Trane
Time Out
by Dave Brubeck Quartet ...
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An interesting conversation has been taking part here ...so will just shortly jump in here and jump out (it’s good for muscles), just to say hello.
First, Orpheus, I am sorry to hear of what you are going through. But I am glad that you are receiving the treatment for I have witnessed that proper treatment can do a lot.
Besides, judging by your conversation with Fro, I am certain that you are a tough cookie in this one too. ; ) I wish you all, all well. ***
Thank you all for sharing great music. *** Little bit of Django and Debussy... Django Reinhardt - Anouman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tDkaRvNHl8 Django Reinhardt - Claire De Lune https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdjPZQnPGHA Debussy plays Debussy - Clair de Lune https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yri2JNhyG4k |
I enjoyed both links pryso, thank you and yes you have noticed it well, Chet seems to appear more often on the list I’ve posted. It is not that I do not admire other giants and not that I don’t appreciate other instruments besides the trumpet (after all, the instruments are just the means through which the player’s expression flows) but when I hear a trumpet in jazz, my heart starts to pump a bit faster. A small child tells to his mother: When I grow up, I will be a trumpeter. A mother responds to him: Well my dear, you know you can’t do both. And this is how I see Chet when he plays, as an adult man who nurtures his inner child in everything he does, and at some point refusing to grow up. But this is just ’my version of Chet’ of course. However and as I have already said, this does not prevent me from liking others. For instance, Peppe in his recordings goes beyond words... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmYFmUVl_f0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPn7TERvg0Q I could go on and on... Orpheus This is so good, it is bluesy/jazzy. I have to paste it again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCVg1UOADO8&list=RDOCVg1UOADO8 Desmond in blue, have heard it before, great record. Frogman : ), I was hoping one would not notice it, but it would be almost impossible not to agree with the Alex’s taste in music, since he posts beautiful music. Once again, thank you all for the support, jafant, thank you too. |
I agree with Ps, ’cause a statement that a player is not good just because he or she is unknown to a wider audience is in the best case pure generalization, a stereotype by which one underestimates someone’s work. I’ll quote Ps: "If something is "undiscovered" it is precisely that." Very nice Stan Getz & Chick Corea, Frogman, thank you. Chick Corea is new to me. Pryso, Sandoval also new to me... On Dizzy: I was never the fan of Dizzy but if God himself tells me that this is not good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVVc-41D5GQ I would tell him: You are crazy. (Song: the peak at 5:21 in video) Can you please tell me who are the other players with Dizzy on this one? ’Cause I always seem to forget to mention other players when mentioning ’the star’ and this is so wrong of me ’cause everybody else in the process contribute in making the main man, main.
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Alex, I think that you haven’t said anything on which Frogman would not agree. Pity you cannot see it. You and Frogman talk the same but just from other perspectives.
p.s. But your last sentence is somehow, unnecessary.
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Frogman,
I have a friend who share your opinion on this subject. The man is extremely smart, and I have no reason to doubt his mind in general. What I want to say that in 90% of the cases I agree with him on various subjects but sometimes and at some point, I disagree with him. Meaning, even though You are smart, we do not have to agree on everything and not entirely here. There could be somebody worth of knowing but remained unknown for various reasons, there could be somebody who simply does not want to be seen. And last but not least, if this unknown man or a woman played 'one single note' differently than for instance Trane, Miles, Getz, Peppe (and so on), then they would be worth of my attention.
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Frogman, ok, good, now I understand you better. Things are much clearer, if not completely.
One more thing:
"Have there been musicians of the artistic caliber of a Satchmo, Bird, Miles, Sonny Rollins, Trane, Bill Evans and, yes, Ornette Coleman, or even the “tier” below (Johnny Griffin) that slipped through the cracks and were never discovered or have been forgotten? Not a chance in hell."
It is as if you are saying: If the unknown one had been good enough (meaning great), we would have heard about him for sure.
And it is also as if we should not ’dig’ any further, ’cause it is already all there what is to listen. I know that you do not mean this but a bit sounded like this. : )
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Orpheus, my first intention was to use the word ’magic’ at the end of the sentence "I guess the music does the same..." Instead of me, you used that word several times. And I wanted to post the link you posted but thought that somebody else might do it.
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I was following your discussion, great thoughts you have and very interesting links you posted Frogman. I also thought that the use (of course non intentional) of four bars of music is perfectly legal. Must dig more into the subject.
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Mnogo hvala (’many thanks’ in Croatian) Orpheus for the Lily song. You are getting more and more familiar with my taste in music. If you just keep on going like this, I might not need A. for the music anymore.
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Eli "Lucky" Thompson indeed plays Deep Passion with deep passion. I have never thought that I would actually cherish the music of the guy with the name - Thompson. Unfortunately in Croatia we have a singer with the same name and who highlights all his song with strong patriotism (but avoids to pay taxes), flirting with the fascism at the same time. Sadly to say that
in a country that is based on anti-fascism and which has given a strong resistance to Nazism in World War II, the guy is quite popular.
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’Big’ John Patton – Spiffy Diffy, great!
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Thank you Orpheus for Johnny Smith, I appreciate it and really like it. Impossible to fail with such great players. : )
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Fred Jackson, Teena Hootin’ `N Tootin’, huh, thumbs up. As if the instrument cries, it makes me sad.
Such a good music. You all are not normal.
Not.
But who wants to be normal? And what is normal after all.
Wish you nice afternoon with the good music by your side.
I surely know what I will listen today.
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