******Mine is just another opinion, how boring is that.****
Seems as if you are waiting for some GURU to come along and tell you what to like and why you should like it!!
When it comes to what music you like, what could be more important than your opinion based on personal experience. This is music, not gear. No all knowing oracle here.
Besides, people do not run out to buy whatever you recommend, but they might youtube it, to see how thay like it.
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******My use of the word 'you' was inappropriate. I should have used the word 'one'. My post was not so much about you at all, although I can see why you might have thought so. My apologies.******
No apology required. I thought you were talking to me because it was addressed to me.
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O-10:
Hank Crawford: Good clips. We are getting close to home now. This guy operated in Memphis, just up the road, highway 61, from my home.
I liked all the youtubes, but, 'Peepers' was my favorite. As much R&B as Jazz, and that's a good thing.
Seems as if he played with all the greats, B.B. King, Ray, Bobby Bland and Ike Turner etc.... I consider his stuff to be what they call 'soul Jazz', and that's a good thing also.
His music is easy to relate to, though not innovative. On 'Peepers" even Sanborn got in the groove. I think Crawford is quoted as saying,"if the audience ain't moving, you ain't playing". :) My kind of attitude.
I have just one CD by Crawford. A twofer on Collectables Jazz Classics; Mr Blues / Mr Blues Plays Lady Soul. Mostly R&B stuff.
I think there should be a seperate sub-set of Jazz for people like Crawford and Ray Charles and others that stayed and played in places other than NYC or LA. Stayed close to the source, both musically and geographically.
Thanks for the Post
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O-10:
Harlem Nocturne -- Great Music and a greater photo! One of the most famous photos in jazz.
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O-10:
Eddie Harris - It's amazing how sensitive these guys can play. This was a great tune and light years from 'Swiss Movement'!
That's another reason Jazz is so much like classical music. Not only is it timeless, but can go from the Sublime to the outrageous, from one track to the next. Quite a range of emotions.
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O-10:
Jackson and Hutcherson -- Jazz Baltica 99
WOW!! I loved it! There is absolutely no substitute for SEEING these magicians at work! These were serious players, playing Jazz. This clip is even better than the Gene Harris double Piano clip.
Did you notice the glances exchanged between Milt and Hutcherson as they ended their solos? On 'Bags Groove' I thought Milt's glance said, "you do know who 'Bags' is? don't ya!" hahahahahahhahhahah
But it was great all around. We are so fortunate now to have this stuff, and hopefully forever.
Delilah -- It was good also. I thought they played it just a tad too long. It sort of petered out rather than ended. It might have been no longer than the other concert, it just seemed longer. Smoother? :(
I only have two CDs by Hutcherson. His first as a leader,'dialogue', and 'Color Schemes'. I also have him with 'The Timeles All-Stars' and Eric Dolphy's 'Out to Lunch'.
I think he tap danced around the avant garde stuff for a while. He seemed to be with Dolphy and Andrew Hill a lot.
But on these clips he was back in the groove. Had seen the error of his ways and was bopping once again. Redemption!!
Thanks for the clips. Great stuff!
What was the difference between the two player's vibraphones?
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Speaking of Christian McBride, I just received this afternoon, the CD of The Christian McBride Trio -- OUT HERE
I hope it's as good as hyped!
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I did a brilliant 'review' of the Bobby McFerrin CD 'Spirit you all" a while back.
Of course it was totally ignored by the Aficionado community.
It has been in my player everyday since.
Here is a youtube of my favorite cut. ' 25:15 '
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgV-xKe6vGE
The Cd is even better. No weak tracks and no filler.
Ain't got it? Better git it!
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Acman3:
As I said, I enjoyed the CD better than the video. Video can giveth, and video, can taketh away. It took away in this case.
See the talk on Milt and Hutcherson for an example of video helping..
Could have done without the screen in the background. Added nothing to the performance except to make it appear less serious.
"it is my unofficial biography" could you elaborate?
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The Frogman:
' Satin Doll '? Gene Harris' playing touched on the melody more than Wess'.
Your hint of 'Duke', gave it away. :)
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I have a challenge.
Listen to this clip without moving any part of your body. No Cheating!! It's not quite impossible. The Polish audience almost did it!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgV-xKe6vGE
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I don't have anything by Wess as leader. I do have him on 'Basie at Newport' and 'April In Paris'. In fact he seems to be on all my Basie CDs.
Its always sad to lose these guys. Esp since their quality of musicianship won't be replaced.
If he reached 91, he must have lived a good and clean life, at least by Jazz standards. So many died so much younger. He looked like a true pro. Max substance, min show. Serious!
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The Frogman:
BTW, my doctors tell me I will hear Wire in time. They say the 'burn-in' time of a brain without frontal lobes is quite long.
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Today's Listen:
Christian McBride Trio -- OUT HERE
McBride(b), Christian Sands(p), Ulysses Owens jr(d)
Jazz Lives!! Old-timers like me live for these rare moments.
I knew I was in for a treat when I saw the first tunes were ' Ham Hocks & Cabbage ' and 'Hallelujah Time' :)
9 Tunes. No weak tracks. Who is this piano player, and where has he been hiding? His playing on 'hallelujah time' is just awesome. McBridge plays the Bass using the bow on this and other tracks.
I think even the Frogman would be impressed with the intonation and articulation of this bass playing.
They do an awesome 'My Favorite Things'. Is there any tune more suitable for Jazz improvisation?? It's almost impossible to screw up this tune. And they nailed this version. Love it!
A unique 'Cherokee' is also on the CD. They end the session with a killer 'who's making love'. Seems as if this set started and ended in the Delta!
Great playing all around. This bodes well for the future of Jazz.
The cover photo is great. Serious players, and young ones at that, playing serious music. No faded jeans with holes in the knees, here!
The recording quality equals the quality of the performance. Without fault.
You know you gotta have it. Check it out. I will have to see what else they have recorded.
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O-10:
There are worst places than Church in Mound Bayou.
The last time I went thru Mound Bayou, I was on my way to the Blues Museum in Clarksdale. Had lunch at Morgan Freeman's place. Nice museum.
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BTW O-10, Extremely nice clip of Milt and Wess. I just love that style of play.
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The Frogman:
Nice clip of Pastorius. It definitely had that 70's sound. Sort of brought to mind, Stax / Memphis Soul / Booker T / type sound.
I have several by Sanborn, mostly on LP. Herbie seems to be a Jack of All Trades. I have him playing 'HANDEL' of all people!
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The Frogman:
Do you appear on any CDs they we might listen to?
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*****BTW, speaking of Herbie and Orpheus Chamber Orchestra checkout Herbie's "Gershwin's World", absolutely beautiful record,******
I have it, and I agree.
I understand about the privacy thing. Esp on this place. Lousy with Barracudas.
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BTW,
There are two quotes in the liner sleeve of the 'Gershwin's World' CD. One by Gershwin, and one by Ellington.
The Gershwin quote is dead on!! Could not agree more. He nailed it. It might also explain the state of Jazz today. The nation's store of engery is winding down.
I had to cringe at the Ellington quote. Can a mere mortal disagree with The Duke?? Some people might take his statement too literal.
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Hey, don't blame me for this. They are playing this stuff on the local PBS station as I type. Some of this dancing is actually painful to watch! hahahahahah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yGGtVKrD8
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I thought maybe The O-10 could pick up some fashion pointers from this. Then he won't have to go around looking like Spike Jones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlE-Zv4Pyhk
What do Beethoven's 5th, Ellington's Jeep Blues and Calloways's Minnie the Moocher all have in common? It will take a true Aficionado two seconds to answer this.
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Even better!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orhf_Xv6HCA
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O-10:
Movie sets. All staged. But still, a nice illusion.
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The Frogman:
Youtr comments on Ellington are right on point. I knew that. He is more than a Jazz player or Band leader. Much more.
I just wanted to claim him for 'Our' own. 'Our,' being us Jazz lovers. Let the Classical and 'Tin Pan Alley' folks get their own Duke!
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O-10:
Great music clip. I love that sort of music.
If we go on a musical journey, I'm getting off in Brazil. I just love the sound of vocal Brazilian music, esp that sung by females.
Your narrative about African music in Cuba and Brazil, and the lack of African music in the U.S., is very interesting. I think I agree with most of what you said. A few things, I will have to 'ponder' and respond to later.
I disagree that slavery in this country was 'by far the cruelest'. History proves that it was not. And, slavery was not that bad, all things considered. It's not like, Work visas or tourtist visas, were an option. If the choice is Africa or America, I choose America.
My observation is, African American people have had the least contact with Africa, and have been influenced the least by Africa, of all black peoples. (thank you Jesus0. Since Afro-American music has influenced music world wide. That is telling.
I will try to make a contribution to this project, with full understanding of the risk of incurring the wrath of The Frogman when we get to Cuba. :)
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Acman3:
Both enjoyable clips. The Dollar Brand could just as easily been Masekela. But who doesn't like Masekela.
Jazz?? No. But I don't know if O-10's journey is about Jazz or just music.
The South African Jazz scene will mature once they get pass every tune having to involve native dress, dancing and Apartheid.
Nice Clips
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This was my 'signature' tune when I played Trumpet in my High School Band. Talk about being in 'Tall Cotton'!! :)
Miles Who??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCa8b4CgZeI
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WOW!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCa8b4CgZeI
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Gentlemen, Gentlemen,
Let's not move so fast of this 'African" stuff. It's not as simple as you are making out.
The most important and significant thing said so far, is that there is no African, in African-American music. It is unquely American. This includes Jazz.
Cultural forces don't move that fast. More like glaciers. The only possible African influence would have been from people arriving here directly from Africa during the slave trade. Importation of slaves into this country ended in 1810, if I recall correctly.
Once here, the influences were Euro-American. Primarily music inspired by The King James version of the Holy Bible.
Please don't make me have to fight off VooDoo!!! And to think, someone once chastised me for saying you have to DEFEND the music! :)
And finally, O-10, this drum nonsense, is just that.
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Is this about Jazz or Just music in general? My comments were made thinking it was about Jazz.
As far as the Music part of this slavery stuff, there are many things to consider, such as:
And this applies to Brazil, Cuba and the USA.
Dominate Religion, Form of Government, Geographical location, climate, size of country, what was the economy based on, population size and ethnicity, and Political status of the area.
all of these things will shape the people, their relationships with each other and the art the create.
Folks in the USA had musical instruments to play. Violins (fiddles), guitars, pianos etc... Fife and Drum units were very big in North Mississippi. Maybe the folks in Cuba, and esp Brazil, only had drums (logs?) to beat.
The relationship between slaves and whites in the US was much different than those relationships in Brazil or Cuba. This fact shaped everything!
I could go on, but you get my point.
BTW, there are more black folks in Brazil than any other country except Nigeria. If you go to Brazil during 'Carnival', you will see them. Any other time, maybe not.
The Spanish came to the New World Looking for Gold. The English came looking for God. That explains a lot.
You may be trying to merge apples with oranges.
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The Frogman:
*****There IS African in American music; but, there is no such thing as "African-American" music. It is uniquely American.****
My Response is "Numbers Count". So, while your statement is true, it is not true for real. As in, it does not reflect reality. I also charge you with using Jedi word tricks! :)
I just knew you and our distinquished OP would renew your efforts to internationalize 'MY' music. Help me Jesus!
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O-10:
I did answer your question. You just have to fill in the details. Let me put it this way:
Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, survives contact with American Culture!!! That's the answer to your question O-10. The details of the musical part of it, I leave to The Frogman.
A few folks doing some so-called voodoo thing in Nawlins, is not the same as saying African music has survived in this country. A lot people in Nawlins are from the Islands, not American at all. Even to this day.
Neither the Slaves nor any music they may have had, survived the culture clash. Hell, slavery itself could not survive it. The millions of Europeans immigrants of the 19th century did not survive.
For example, the French know this, but, because of their arrogance and illusions of grandeur, are fighting a losing battle against it. The rest of the planet has happily succumbed.
Worried about Chinese Power? You needn't. We have The Stones on Tour, Buick is the most popular car, and the Golden arches and KFC are everywhere. You can feel free to sleep like a baby.
The slaves and their music never stood a chance. This was not a beating on a log type place. They lived in a 'European' country. Cuba and Brazil were colonies 'administered' by Europeans. There is a difference.
Just a few things to ponder.
These slaves did not all come from the same village. Hell, they didn't even have the same religion or language!! And once here, they were displaced all over the South. Sort of hard to mantain 'traditions' in that enviroment.
How large a 'population/concentration' of people is required to sustain a culture? EVERYONE was not a musician or even cared about music.
And lastly, an inferior culture will always succumb to and try to adapt to a superior culture. That's just human nature. Beating on a log or western music? Who do you think is gonna win that one.
Also. America was the land of oppourtunity even by slave standards. Maybe not so much in Cuba or Brazil.
The Frogman was on target with his comments.
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Suggested reading: 'Guns, Germs and Steel' and 'The Diary of Mary Chesnut' |
Just a short break from the usual.
And the Winner is ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lmXi1y1fzs
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*****Well, it's pretty obvious to me****
Me also. I just thought the 'high-end' would have made a better showing.
Actually I didn't think that. It's just that, given the results, why ask the question and/or do the 'test' in the first place. Given that they 'published' the results, I thought it would demonstrate how close the two were. As you said, no contest.
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I meant to write this 'review' last night, but I had this terrific headache. I NEVER have headaches! Then I thought, maybe The O-10 is messing with those Voodoo dolls of his. In the future, I will be more prudent when addressing The O-10. A hint to the wise!
Today's Listen:
Sonny Clark -- LEAPIN' AND LOPIN'
Clarke(p), Ike Quebec & Charlie Rouse (ts), Tommy Turrentine(t), Butch Warren(b), Billy Higgins(d)
Clark's last session as leader. Some feel his best effort.
This is a thoroughly enjoyable CD. The playing and the the tunes are just spot on.
Tommy Turrentine, older brother of Saxman stanley, is a find for me. Excellent trumpet playing and tone. Had not heard him before. And We all know about Rouse with Monk, but there is a lot more to him than that, as his soloing on this CD demonstrates.
I think Clarke died when he was 31/32. What a waste. I love his playing. When you think of all the greats we lost in their 20's and 30's, it's just a shame. What could have been.
Ike just sits in on the tune 'deep in a dream'. The only ballard and maybe the highlight of the CD. That and 'voodoo' were my favorites.
This is one of the better hard bop Blue Note sessions. Everything was just 'right'. Absolutely no irritants.
If you are a Sonny Clark fan, then you must have this. It is for sure him at the top of his game.
If you just like Jazz, then you ought to have it. Along with his, 'Sonny's Crib' and 'Cool struttin'
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O-10:
I will check out the 'three wishes' book. I just love to read tidbits like that. I am also going to break down and finally buy a book of Jazz photos. Both of the players and the LP covers.
The Ike Quebec tune was great.
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Today's Listen:
Mingus Big band -- QUE VIVA MINGUS
Too many players to list.
This CD is a tribute to Mingus' love of, and use of, Latin rhythms in his music.. 10 tunes. All by Mingus. The tunes' Latin rhythms range from Columbia to Mexico To Cuba.
A few tunes were 'latinized' such as 'eat that chicken'. very nice although the vocals were better on the orginal. But the tune works!
There is nothing I could possibly add to the liner notes. Excellent and very detailed review of each tune. Among the best liner notes I have ever read. Written by Sue Mingus. I wish I could do that.
She did use this quote from Composer/historian Gunther Schuller speaking of Mingus' compositions.
"there is nothing quite like them in the avant-garde or European Classical music. Mingus himself considered his music to be outside category, neither Jazz nor Classical. "It's 'American Music'," he once said. "Or better yet, just call it Mungus."
Relates to our previous discussions.
The entire brass section shines on this CD. Esp Randy Brecker. As a bonus, a photo of the entire group with names to ID them.
You know you want it!
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Acman3:
There was a tuba on the Mingus Big Band CD I posted. I meant to mention it, but forgot.
Guess they are more common than I thought. Now all we need is a full CD of solo Tuba! I could put it right next to my CDs of solo Harp and solo Bassoon!
Thanks for post. I have that CD by Coltrane. Now I will listen to it.
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O-10:
Alice Coltrane:
I liked the "Blue Nile' the best. Probably because of the guys playing on the set. Both cuts were easy on the ears.
I have noticed that if you use the mouse to skip ahead on the music, you find that one point sounds the same as any other point. Like you are not missing anything.
No Beginning, middle, or end.
Her harp is nice. I like it.
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Today's Listen:
Various -- THE SMITHSONIAN COLLECTION OF CLASSIC JAZZ
This is the 'Revised' remastered edition, released in 1987. The original was released in 1973 on LP. The sound quality on this set is much improved.
This is a 5 CD set. Starts with Scott Joplin and Jelly Roll Morton, and ends with Ornette Coleman and The World Saxophone Quartet.
The sound quality on the early stuff is AMAZINGLY good. The later stuff is good also.
The package is typical Smithsonian. Well done with many nice touches. Great detail on all the tracks. Includes the soloists, and the order of their solos. Date and place recorded and personnel.
A 102 page booklet. Repeats the liner notes of each disc and includes great pictures. The historical information is priceless in itself.
They didn't miss many of the greats. Below is a link to the tune list.
http://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Smithsonian-Collection-Of-Classic-Jazz/release/457754
The sound on the 1973 release was not good. The Scorr Joplin tune 'maple leaf rag' is a recording of a piano roll made before electric recording. Sounds just fine here.
No filler. All great tunes. Even includes two(2) versions of O-10's favorite, 'East St. Louis Toddle-Oo' by Duke Ellington! :)
All Jazz people should have this.
I am becoming a fan of these complilations. Like the '50 Greatest Jazz Tunes' I posted about earlier. Sometimes you just don't feel like an entire CD of Coltrane, or anyone else.
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Interesting woman. Born a Rothschild. This article tells of her relationships with various Jazz players.
http://www.icrates.org/baroness-nica-the-musical-legacy-of-pannonica-de-koenigswarter/
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I suspect, Nellie 'didn't play that'!
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Today's Listen:
Big John Patton -- GOT A GOOD THING GOIN'
Patton(organ), Grant Green(g), Hugh Walker(d), Richard Landrum(conga)
Soul-Jazz at it's best. Patton and Green made several records together. This is one of their best.
The music and playing rises to a level above just covers of pop/R&B. Two Pop covers 'ain't that peculiar' and 'shake'. There is some serious playing here from both Green and Patton.
Blue Note label, recorded in 1966. Check it out.
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O-10:
Once again you bring to my attention music I already own. Great clip. I will listen to the entire CD tonight.
My CDs always seem to sound just a little better if blessed by O-10.
Monk is Monk! hahahhah
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Today's Listen:
Lou Rawls with Les McCann Ltd. -- STORMY MONDAY
Rawls(v), Les McCann(p), LeRoy Vinnegar(b), Ron Jefferson(d)
Lou Rawls' first recording. Recorded in 1962 on BlueNote.
13 tunes. Mostly blues. The Count Basie, Joe Williams type of blues numbers.
This is a young Lou Rawls. You can hear it in his voice. It would get better as he aged.
The Les McCann Trio provide good backing. No weak tracks. Most are well known tunes like: 'God Bless the Child', 'See See Rider' etc... My favorite is "I'd rather drink muddy water"
Willie Dixon said "blues is the truth", if that is true, and it is, then they recorded this session with one hand on the Bible, swearing to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Lou Rawls -- AT LAST
This is Rawls 27 years later. Still on Blue Note. Sort of like a complilation. Lou is joined by Dianne Reeves, Ray Charles, Stanley Turrentine,David 'fathead' Newman and Bobby Hutcherson.
A more sophisticated outing. Better arrangements and much larger band in support. I like the singing on this one best. He seems to be into the songs to a degree he was not in the first disc. Experience? This is the mature Lou Rawls that we all know.
11 Tracks. All good. He does a duet with Ray on, 'That's Where It's At' and with Dianne on 'At Last'. Great stuff.
For Rawls fans, both are must haves.. His first, and close to His last.
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BTW,
The avant-garde,and Free Jazz, Bullshit!?!?!! Why I never heard of such a thing!!! You can add Southwest Pakistani folk Jazz etc... to the list also.
Where were you two, when I was saying the same thing? All I got for my trouble were attacks from all sides.
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The Frogman:
**Can you name the composition that is quoted in this performance?**
I tried. I really tried. This is like a musical version of the Rorschach Inkblot Test. Everyone hears what they hear. I heard noithing that I could recognize as melody or a theme. But I do admire their audacity.
On a more positive note. They performed at Ansbach Castle. I have visited Ansbach many times. Great place to eat and shop during the Christmas season. Great old world European ambience.
The U.S. 1st Armoured Division was / is headquatered there.
BS?? Yep!
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O-10:
Glad you are enjoying the '100 greatest' set. I keep mine handy on the desk, because I listen to at least one disc everyday. I like the element of surprise as to what's next.
I saw Lou Rawls live in Baltimore, back in the day. I read where he had the third most recognizable voice on the planet. After Howard Cosell and Muhammad Ali. How do they determine this stuff? :)
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Today's Gems:
Ella Fitzgerald -- ELLA IN ROME - THE BIRTHDAY CONCERT
Recorded in Rome on Ella's 40th birthday.April 25 1958.
All standards. 18 tunes. No filler, but how can anything by Ella be considered filler.
The Italians are very enthusiastic and appreciative. Some great singing here. 'Midnight Sun', which she owns, the best 'that old black magic' since Louie Prima and Keely Smith, and a great 'Carvan'.
I have concluded that this woman does not sing, she 'plays voice'.
The last tune was 'stompin' at the savoy'. She was backed by Oscar Peterson and his group on this one. Great tune to close with.
She verbally 'introduced' Oscar's solo, while singing the song. Never missed a beat! She just made the words part of the song. Amazing.
It's Ella in her prime. Enough said. If you don't know what that means, Git outta Jazz!!!
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Today's other Gem:
Willis Jackson -- BAR WARS
Jackson(ts), Charles Earland(o), Pat Martino(g), Idris Muhammad(d), Buddy Caldwell(congas)
WOW! Honking Tenor and Screaming B-3, with Pat Martino with them every note of the way. This is just great happy music fit for a good happin' bar. Reminds me of a group I used to listen to in Binghamton, NY.
If you are not up and dancing around on 'The Goose Is Loose', Check your pulse, you may be deceased! I thought we were about to have a 'hog calling blues' event. or at least a Gonsalves 'interval' thingy.
Pat Martino is the real deal.
I would say you gotta have it, but the only one on Amazon is from 'these sellers' and they are asking $230!!
This could be the most valuable CD I own!! :)
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