Logans and Heavy Metal?

Strictly a matter of semantics and personal taste here. Rage has more of a "chunky" sound than "heavy" to me. Nor does "hard rock" or "old school" classify as "metal". "Heavy" would be bands like Paramaecium, Winter, Sorrow, Mortification, Morbid Angel, Master, Entombed, Unleashed, etc... to name just a few. It is very difficult to hear "real metal" on the radio for various reasons. The closest band to Rage's style that i could think of as being "heavy" would be Pro-Pain. Sean
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My experience is that NO e-stat can play loud enough to do "metal" justice. The one exception to this rule MIGHT be the HIGHLY efficient Innersound Eros. Then again, what one calls "metal" and "loud" are a matter of personal tastes. If you like to listen at WAY less than concert level and have a room that is not real big, you might be able to pull it off. Just don't expect to get any type of "slam" from "heavy" recordings. If you do try to push e-stat's to real high levels, you can expect to either burn out the transformers, arc or burn the panels, toast your amp, etc... This one would HAVE to be checked out first hand before i would think about making it a permanent situation.

For the record, one of my friends ( who does not listen to "metal" ) is trying to achieve "high" listening levels with his e-stats. Even bi-amping with two stereo amps rated for 400 wpc are not giving him the results that he's looking for. Sean
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No offense Mrtrader, but Rage is not considered "heavy" or "metal" by ANY metal head that i know.

I too agree that e-stat's and planars just don't have the excursion capability that is required to do "slam" or have massive impact on the bottom end, especially at high volume. Like anything else, they have their limitations. If you can do without that, they can make some really nice sounds if properly set up. I've been thinking about a set of e-stat's for the bedroom system as of late. Sean
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Angela, i've never heard the specific speakers that you have but do have a friend that had them. While he did like them, he complained of a rather limited "sweet spot". This is a relatively common complaint about E-stat's, so i don't think that it is a problem with their specific design. I do know that the Eros are probably the most efficient E-stat on the market and as such, would probably be the best candidate for someone that wants transient response AND volume capability. While the Eros do have a transmission line woofer design ( which is one of the VERY FEW vented designs that i like if properly done ), my only reservation about this system would be as to how well the dynamic woofer mates with the panels. Obviously, this is something that would boil down to personal taste, room acoustics and placement of the speaker.

By the way, fans of "Type O" need to find out what "Big Pete's" real thoughts and feelings on life are. You can find them on recordings of both his earlier band (Carnivore) and the earlier Type O albums BEFORE they went "girly". For the record, Pete is a nice guy in person and LOVES the ladies. I've partied with him a few times. Sean
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Since we've got some very different answers here, we obviously may have different standards. Since we partially covered what is "heavy", let's talk about what "loud" exactly is.

How about mentioning what SPL you consider to be "loud enough" to do metal at your LISTENING POSITION. I am talking about an extended period of "headbanging time" and not for just "one good tune". Sound must remain clean and uncompressed. Use "C" weighting and on the "slow" scale if using the RS SPL meter. This will give you a broadband average. S

Don't try to impress anyone with "I never listen this loud, BUT my system can do XXX db's" type of stuff. We're looking for REAL measurements on how you really listen. Since peaks can be quite high for momentary blasts, those DO NOT count. Please include the appr. distance from your speakers to the seat also. Sean
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