Every Component that i have ever heard that used the Ess 9018 Sabre Chip, seemed to have a slight Glare in the upper mids , It seems that this was apparent in the Marantz A/V processor the Eastern electric mini max DAC, or the Wyred for sound DAC.
In my setup , it seemed to always be present .
Therefore , I am NOT a fan of anything that uses that chip.
I know everyone will say that it is more about the use and implementation of that chip that contributes more to the sound ,than the chip[ itself, BUT,
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Well , looking at the price of a pair of 925s used , I would certainly hope they are as outstanding as you say. Most of us working class folks ,would never be able to afford these. |
Are you using the Wireworld Platinum Starlight cable ?
If so, I wonder what its contribution to the overall sound is? |
@shingy
Have a listen a Gryphon DAC, keen you have your feedback.
I could not afford Gryphon. Most of us here can’t. We need to keep it down to earth ,don't you think ? |
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Yes, I know that both amps are very expensive , which was my whole point .
The average guy will not afford them |
@ whitecamarossI think you should try the Tekton Double Impact speakers . They are very affordable and they allow you to hear cable and component changes better than any speaker that i have ever heard. I’ll bet that i can get some agreement on that. Besides they are a speaker that most of us can afford. It would be nice to see some affordable stuff reviewed. What happened with the Pass Labs XA-25 that was on order ? |
How about trying some Legacy Audio Valor or Whisper HD.
Maybe some Tekton Design
Ulfberht or Double Impact |
We never heard any more about the Pass Labs XA-25 that was on order.
You should have that by now |
I wish you would try the Lyngdorf Room Correction, anyway. It is Amazing ! |
RoomPerfect just might be the only room correction that audio aficionados want to leave engaged or turned on ...or .....making its corrections.
It really is that good.
Read up on it a little and see what people think of it. |
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@ejr1953
I agree with you about McIntosh.
May not be the last word in resolution , but very musical IMO.
I do not understand these guys that want high level detail and Resolution.
That’s good only if you play at low levels and not for very long.
I have not heard any systems that were extremely revealing , that you could listen to for very long at very decently loud levels.
They might initially impress , but not for the long haul.
I can listen to my Mc30s with Tekton Double Impacts for days on end !!
They are just Magical !
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Here is some songs that are in my Demo list.
They are worth giving a listen.
Most are a good test of your speakers abilities .
Some are instrumentals, some are vocals and a lot are a good Bass test.
They are not the usual suspects
Some are obscure and quite different
I hope you enjoy
Song Title --------------------Album--------------------------Artist
Come on Home -----Come on Home -------------Boz Scaggs
Sojourn of Arjuna------Greatest Hits of 20th Century--Bela Fleck
Morph The Cat-----------Morph The Cat----------Donald Fagen
H-Gang--------------------Morph The Cat ----------Donald Fagen
Don’t Explain------- Verve Remixed--------Dzihan & Kamien
As Big As Your Face--Late For The Future------Galactic
Endless Parade------High and Mighty ------------Gov’t Mule
Sometime Tuesday Morning--Sometime Tues Morning----Johnny A
Depression Blues------ Melvin Taylor & Slack Band-----Melvin Taylor
Going Down Slow------The Blues Collection------------Robben Ford
Everything Must Go- Everything Must Go-----Steely Dan
Thanks Dub-------------Second Hand Smoke-------- Sublime
Hare Krishna(King Britt)--Verve remix------Tony Scott
Translantic--- (Quantic) Nova Soul 3- various Artists
Retreat & View ------ Born to sing no plan B ------------Van Morrison
Real Real Gone ---- Philosophers Stone-----------------Van Morrison
Flight of the Cosmic Hippo-- Flight of the Cosmic Hippo ---Bela Fleck
Asleep In The Desert----Chrome Smoke and BBQ------ZZ Top
Sometimes Thing Get..Whatever--Random Album Title---Deadmau5
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You will be shocked by the ZZ Top one , if you have not heard it,You’ll be impressed by the Guitar Tone of Johnny A and the Bass of Hare Krishna ,Quantic ,Thanks Dub, and by the overall excellent sound of Sojourn of Arjuna , Everything must Go.
Like i said these are not your usual test tracks, but instead they are interesting and different... to me anyway
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@axeman Love Johnny A. .His tone is fantastic. So smooth and Wonderful sounding. I have the "Get Inside " and the "Sometimes Tuesday Morning "Albums. I have 90% of Bela Fleck albums also . Here is some of Johnny A’s Guitar collection https://www.guitarplayer.com/guitaraficionado/johnny-a-reveals-his-gorgeous-gibsons-and-gretschesPlease check out Robben Ford’s "Going Down Slow" with Jimmy Witherspoon Singing. If you are a Guitar Guy, you gotta love that one and probably Robben Ford too ! |
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@whitecamaross
If you get the Lyngdorf Room Correction, it should solve the issue with the Vivids .I am using the Tekton Double Impact speakers in my 10x11 room.and sitting about 8.5 to 9 feet away
Without the Lyngdorf they are way too big for the room. With the Lyngdorf they are just fine . |
@whitecamaross
I don't get it ?
You said you were ready to try the Lyngdorf. I am totally surprised that you did not or will not. It will fix your problems .
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@whitecamaross
Why do you just ignore my comments and questions ? |
Oh ,I get that .
It is just that he said he was gonna try Lyngdorf.
it would have been the perfect opportunity to do so .It would have substantially improved his room and speakers .
I am just disappointed and confused ,cause i thought he would try it .. like he said .. that's all. |
Wow so a lot of you guys are really supportive of my decision to go with the vivid audio g1 and luxman. I only had one person tell me that the g1 might overload my room with bass but I already have a plan in the event that it happens: it is called the Lyngdorf room correction. I plan on venturing with it if I can’t get the bass under control. What happened to the Lyngdorf idea WC ? |
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I feel certain that the Lyngdorf will fix your problem of the speakers being too big for your room. It does for me in my room . If you don't try it you'll never know .
You would be able to keep the Vivid Speakers with Lyngdorf. !! |
@corvette01
The MX150 or MX160 is VERY Good sounding ,and has Lyngdorf Room Correction .
If you liked the MX119 , you will definitely like the 150 or 151 |
@ ron17
Have you used Lyngdorf room correction ?
It is Totally different and.. the Absolute best out there .
It will work. I am talking about Lyngdorf Room correction .
Which Room correction are you talking about ?
I have used:
Audyssey
ARC (Anthem Room Correction).
Yamaha's YPAO
McaCC (Pioneer)
RoomPerfect (Lyngdorf)
Lyngdorf is Head and Shoulders above all of the others.
The others are not in the same league. It really is unreal how good it is.
Just ask Grannyring (Bill Dion)
He has extensive experience in Hi-Fi Audio
You really cannot understand, until you try it ... Room Perfect
It is one of those things that has to be tried to experience kit.
Its like trying to explain what it is like to actually go to or see Top Fuel (Funny Car or Dragsters)
You can try to explain it to someone , but unless they experience it for themselves , they really do NOT know. |
My post actually came after yours to Ron about them being here in 9 days .
I was doing an edit on it |
@roxy54 07-20-2018 11:00am"I heard that newer McIntoshes are rebadged marantz units with a few more upgrades?"
Talk about fake news... You are correct .. That is is "Fake News" Check with Ron Cornelius @ McIntosh Where did you here that BullSh@t Corvette01 ? |
I really do not think any of you guys have experienced or used "RoomPerfect".
It is the LAST WORD in room correction .
Have you every heard of an Audiophile type of person preferring any Room Correction ?
RoomPerfect is the ONLY Room correction that Audiophiles approve of .
It is the Ultimate in sound !
it is because it is the ONLY one that gets the BASS right and the "Time Domian" I never liked my sub with music ....Ever ..until "RoomPerfect"
It Must be heard to be believed !!!! |
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Remember... Love them or hate them , McIntosh hold their value pretty damn well :) |
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I agree .. Lets see some pics !!
Whitecamaross, please setup your virtual system and add pics .
I , as well as many many others would love to see all of this amazing equipment and see how it is setup in your room. Please do it ! |
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Click on your own name or title
"whitecamaross"
Then it would be under "My virtual System "
I think you click on "add images " or something along those lines |
Musicality is better than extreme or hyper detail .
Who wants to have something you can't turn up past 75 db without ripping your F'N ears off. Give me musicality all day !! Highly detailed amps or system is ok... if you never turn it up , but what fun is that .I want something i can listen to all night and day .
Is the hyper detailed system supposed to impress.If so ,who ..... yourself and or your friends . It might be impressive for the first 10 minutes,but If you cannot listen for more than 30 minutes before you can't take it anymore , that's NO GOOD !
You guys that want detail over everything else are missing out .... on Musicality.
Just because a piece of equipment isn't hyper detailed does NOT make it MID FI. You must realize a LOT of people like Musicality over detail.
I welcome anyone to come and hear my Very Musical system and see what they think. |
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Well, I have to say that
WC being able to play at 85 db and enjoying it, has to do with the BIG MACS. The Mc601.
Mcintosh is one of the few that i can actually turn up to 80 db or so and still actually talk to someone sitting next to you.
Its because the music takes on an Organic Full Relaxed sound .
In other words it isn't screaming or yelling at you .I is not forward or in your face .It is kind of laid back sound ..It gives more room to turn it up without ripping yours ears off.
That describes McIntosh ... to me anyway.
I guess you either love it or hate it . |
@mrdecibel
You are Right. BTW my macs are tubes .. |
@chazzzy007
Strive is right, achieving it ,is a totally different story and most of us know that . |
You mean that you are quite happy with the Magico and the MC601s.
You can’t even allow yourself to say it ...LOL |
Which amps are you using now ? MC601 ? |
@whitecamaross Hi guys: just came home with a pair of amps I did not expect to bring back but I needed to try more horsepower on the magicos. Guess what ? I was damn right!
They need gobbs of power. I just strapped on a pair of McIntosh 601s and man the speakers just sound 30% percent better easily. They sound larger, the excess high frequency energy from some recordings has receded and now they sound much more dynamic. It’s as if they took a shot of steroids by getting more current from monos. I’m very happy with this result. I will keep listening and will report back.
I will try the focals at some point tonight. Let’s see !!! I notice that you are not really saying much about those MID-FI McIntosh MC601s Could it be that they really are better than you expected .Could it be that they are Damn Musical and you hate to admit it ?.........just my opinion, of course. But, I find it kind of odd that you have not really said another word about them, BUT. They are still there ! |
@whitecamaross
You need to.throw your expectations and pre-conceived notions out the window in order to give them all a fair shake ! |
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Anybody that would spend 40k on amps or speakers has way more money than they have sense anyway . Mc601s are probably as much as any sane person would spend on audio anyway.
I mean really think about it, would 40k amps really be worth 26k more than 14Kamps . What is your money REALLY getting you in improvement.... 20% ...at most . You really should Demo some gear that the average guy can afford. |
Like has been said many times, if you want to improve the sound in your room get the Lyngdorf. You seem to like to throw around money . Lyngdorf would be well worth throwing money at .It would be the BEST way to spend money. .. |
Any speaker would work in his room just fine , if he would invest in the BEST Room correction in the Business....LYNGDORF.
WC, please try the Lyngdorf. You have tried so much other stuff . It is a real shame that you will not invest in something that really works. This would be a Game Changer .
I promise that you would RAVE about it and never be wanting for more !
It is what you need !!!!.
Hell, Borrow an MX160 from your Dealer.
You will then understand what Lyngdorf can do for you!! .
Please Please do it |
@whitecamaross I’ve already owned the mx160 twice when I was into home theater lol...
Now I am refusing to use it for music because I feel it kills the purity. I am sorry , but i just do Not believe that ...No F-N- Way.. You never once mentioned that before all this time when I have been asking you to try it, and ..You are just now saying that you had it before. BULLSHIT..I lost what little respect i had for you !! It is Blatantly obvious that you have never had Lyngdorf .....l and I know now., because the below part of statement is SO wrong as to what Lyngdorf does . I feel it kills the Purity: |
@WHITECAMAROSS
I am sorry to sound so upset,and i apologize to you personally for the attack... but man , I have been asking you to try it over and over and you said that your Dealer said that you wouldn’t like it , but You never once said you had it .
You said that you were thinking about getting it in a response way back. Not once did you ever mention that you had tried it ..
Also i know what it does for sound .If you set it up and used Lyngdorf you would have said what you didn’t like about it , BUT, I honestly have never heard anyone say they did not like it .
That is why i have a really hard time with your statement.
Please accept my apology. I really should have sat back and waited to respond |
Did you not use the RoomPerfect (Lyngdorf) when you had the MX151 ?
I ask because you never ever said anything about using it or having tried it , when i was suggesting that you try Lyngdorf -RoomPerfect.
They are the same thing you know .. right ?
Maybe that's why you did not mention it , because you did not know they are one in the same ... ??
McIntosh calls their's Roomperfect. It is the Lyngdorf Room correction software in the Macs . It is licensed to them and called RoomPerfect |
@whitecamaross This link for Lyngdorf review below is why I was wondering if you ever actually used it or set it up, when you had the MX150. You would have /should have, noticed an improvement ., especially in the integration of a Sub into the system. Since you never made the first comment about what you thought of , or how well it (RoomPerfect) worked or did not work in your setup with the MX150, I assumed you never used it . Did you ever set up or use Lyngdorf (RoomPerfect) when you had the MX150 ? Review Link Below: http://lyngdorf.com/news-mp-50-reviewed-by-widescreen-review/
This would be the most similar product to Roomperfect in the MX150 The manuals are almost identical when it gets down to the Roomperfect section in the MX150 user manual. |
@whitecamaross
Did you ever run or setup the Lyngdorf - Roomperfect on the Mx150 or MX160 that you owned ? |
@whitecamaross
Then you know what the(Roomperfect) can do for your room.
I am using the MX-150 (Roomperfect) with the Big Tekton Double Impacts in approx a !2X12 room and open on one side . It does wonders for the sound in my room.
Honestly, i could not even use these speakers in this room without RoomPerfect. They sound bloated without it . I bet if you had gotten it (RoomPerfect) for the Vivid speakers you would have stopped there and been happy.
Good luck with your next endeavor |
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