I placed a card in each of my speaker crossover compartments. My speakers have a nice compartment in the bottom of the speaker ..... not inside the bass cavity which is a great thing! It has been 3days and the results have been very good. More “at ease” sound that is boxless with the speakers disappearing to a great degree.
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I have to say, if you have mats, cards, and/or TC in your system, and you also have High Fidelity MC-0.5s, or other HF products, you should consider removing the latter, to see if your experience matches mine (and Tim's).
I had been extremely happy with the improvements 16 mats brought to my system, but I am rather astonished at how much a single MC-0.5 was holding things back. It's been 3 days since I removed it. Tim says it takes 7 days for the magnetic effect to fully wear off.
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On the E Cards ...
As mentioned before in an earlier post, I put one inside the protective case of the cell phone with good results. That left four cards that needed a home in the system. I'm thinking of putting them inside, alongside of the crossovers ... two cards in each speaker.
Tonight, I placed all four cards across the ends of my power cords where they connect to the equipment. One on the pre-amp, one on the amp, one on the CD player, and finally, one across the power cord from the power conditioner where it plugs into the wall.
I've only been listening for about an hour or so, mostly to female vocal ballads that I know really well. So far, I'm hearing a slight reduction in digital grain around voices, faster around the leading edges of instruments, especially guitar and percussion and a more relaxed and generally quieter presentation overall without anything being "dulled." Its just more music coming through ... similar to what the Omega E Mats do.
When I do the crossovers (a real pain to get to) I'll report back on that.
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AMG56I hear your concerns especially after the corepowertech debacle and the money you are out and I can certainly understand your worries.
I know it will not do much good just myself telling you this,but Tim is not even remotely close to that type of mentality or personality as Mark displayed towards the end.
I cannot speak for him I know, but I would be shocked if Tim ignored you or did not honor his word if you tried his goods and decided they did nothing for you in your system.
I waited a fair while before taking the plunge on cards, mats and tc paste but the number and quality of people coming forward saying the same thing made me take a leap, of faith if you want to use that thought process.
I do not regret one single dollar spent!
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amg56 - we’ve been over all this before. Don’t you remember? The clock starts ticking when you get the product, not when it’s shipped. Everybody and his brother knows that. And you should get results right away, from what customers say, you don’t have to wait 8 weeks. Eat more fish, that way you won’t have to ask the same question over and over again.
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Hi Frank, No one likes to be criticized. Hence your response. But I was not criticizing anyone or anything. I made note that there was no information forthcoming, as is the right of a consumer to expect. Being in Australia, 30 day money back guarantee does me no favours. By the time I receive it, apply it, determine its ability to enhance my system (and change mat places as so many have described), have the TC in place for at least the stated 8 week period, and so on, leaves me out cold cash not in hand and no recourse to refund my outlay (as is happening to me by another US based identity/company). Maybe I have less faith in this process as I cannot look the person in the eye. Geoff, Your "Whatever" file must be full by now. Congrats on exceeding 12,000 posts. Most of which I see as useless banter, rather than informative and seeking meaningful engagement. |
amg54 sez: - "My father once told me to always look a person in the eye when speaking to them. And always look them in the eye listening to them. Why? Aversion to the truth. If a person does not tell you to your eye what the truth is, then they are not to be trusted. (And yes, blind people can do the same actually)."
I couldn’t agree with you more. After a 50 year career in 100% commissioned sales, not only did I study personality types, but body language as well. The eyes and mouth tell a lot about a person’s honesty. Believe me, I can spot a charlatan a mile away ... because to the trained eye, they throw off red flags all over the place. Frank |
amg54, I hope you don’t take this the wrong way but I’m filing that long screed of yours under Whatever.
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AMG is joined in his mindset by a few others who post on this site. They’ve made their opinions clear. They are of a particular personality type. Nothing wrong with that of course, as we all fall under basically four distinct personality types, each one with their overriding unique quirks.
In their case, their biggest fear is criticism (still not dissing them, its just a fact). Many who fall under this personality category find it hard to even take a mere suggestion, let alone criticism. They will argue a position to their last breath to prove themselves right. Usually, they are very intelligent people ... and enter scientific professions ... like engineering and/or other careers dealing with mathematics.
They are great planners financially ... and when retirement comes, as it comes to all of us (if we’re lucky), their planning has usually paid off handsomely for them.
All of that being said, because of their innate fear of criticism, they analyze everything to death, driving others around them absolutely bonkers. Their motto is: measure ten times and cut once. For the career choices they make, that’s a very good thing. Gotta bring those manned rockets back safely, right?
Hey, AMG ... the ten-day, money back guarantee with no questions asked, kind of removes the need to measure ten times to cut once, wouldn’t you agree?
There is no way that Tim Mrock is going to reveal his formulas to you or anyone else. He’d be grossly stupid if he did. However, you can buy the Omega E Mats and the small Alpha E Cards to try out for a month with no obligation to buy. So ... what problems are left for you? What would be holding you back at this point? Inquiring minds want to know. :-)
On the heart surgery and the pacemaker installation ... No, I didn’t research how the surgery is done, nor did I do any testing or read any white papers on the health of the pig the new heart valve was taken from. I DID, however, do my research on the doctors involved. My heart surgeon was selected because of a confidential conversation I had with the director of surgery at the hospital. I took her advise. My Grandson is a surgeon as well, and he recommended the very same heart surgeon because he assisted that particular surgeon as a student in medical school. I put my faith (there’s that word again) in what I considered the best available. I didn’t have to research the devises ... the doctors had already done that for me far in advance of my surgery.
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Hey Geoff, I would like information an what the product is supposed to achieve, it's uses, its manufacture, contents, safety issues, poison rating, ingredients (ala batteries), child safety info etc. Like any other product as mandated in Australia. I would also like our Consumer organisation(and product magazine) all over it. They produce Shonky awards for things that claim more than they are able, like magnetic underlays and pillows (not good for migraines or pacemakers). I maintain that if a product is not able to be put into consumer circulation with it's full detail, then it should be looked at warily. Chinese medicine is a good example. Unfortunately for the remaining Rhino population on this world, the horn ground up into a powder is said to be a good aphrodisiac and elephant ivory heals a range of ills. Do they? Not according to the latest reports. But these myths go back 3000 years and the education to change this belief in Asiatic nations has only been in the last 30 years, when resources looked to be on the verge of extinction. However how many of our goop or fuse readers/contributors regularly go out to try the latest herbal/Chinese medicine? I suspect not many. And why is that? I would doubt that cost would be the issue. Is it doubt about what the products might do to us physically, once the dried scorpion or cockroach has been masticated? Frank, did you do any research or seek explanation of the procedure to put your pacemaker into you? Did you ask what it was, or did you blindly let the doctors at you on good faith and pay them for the service? My father once told me to always look a person in the eye when speaking to them. And always look them in the eye listening to them. Why? Aversion to the truth. If a person does not tell you to your eye what the truth is, then they are not to be trusted. (And yes, blind people can do the same actually). So why are people so averse to letting on how and why a product works? The information available on the internet is vast and can be spread via social media in the blink of an eye. If a person wants to know how and why a light switch turns on a bulb, they can look it up. If a person want to make a bomb they can do the same (sadly there are those miscreants who would). We live on and for information. Why hide information that is beneficial. Patents protect intellectual property. Copyrights protect the creator of an original work under original conditions. With those in place, a product is safe from cloning or duplication and secure the product manufacture and sale, (although there are countries where this does not mean much at all). Please note that this post is neutral. It takes no sides apart from one that seeks truth and honesty regarding products as required by consumer law. It has nothing to do with the performance of certain topical products as this varies from system to system, to listener to listener. Rather, it is more to do with informing the consumer with information about a product being paid for. The consumer by way of payment for a product is also purchasing the right to know of the product, including its use, makeup, limitations, contents and all other information forthcoming by was of Consumer Laws as applied Federally and by State Legislation.
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@amg56. If you are not interested in PPT products that is your decision. It is likely though that not doing so will limit the ultimate performance of your system which is a shame for you.☹️ |
I’m pretty sure AMG56 is not really a candidate for this sort of thing. He’s just showing off that he’s too smart to be taken in by outrageous tweaks.
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Unlike medical procedures and most everything else, you can actually return the mats or cards if they don’t delight you. So it’s the polar opposite of blind faith. You actually get to use it for weeks and hear or not hear what is does. No faith, empirical evidence. You are not blind or deaf to this at any point once it is in your rig. Time to buy based on your actual ability to test and hear for yourself. An Aphile’s dream! |
What explanation would make you buy the product? Just curious....
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But there is ALWAYS references to medical drugs, medical procedures, quantum physics, gravity, how lights work (what a weak example
@tommylion). Where can you read about these products? No information available, and none forthcoming. Buy on blind faith? Not me. Sorry. |
If we had to know how or why everything works before we would try something, we would not have or participate in half of what we do. We trust in medical procedures and drugs we know nothing about. We accept that cars, computers, cameras--even clothing--work or are better than another similar product, so we buy and use these things without asking much.
The idea here, on this forum, is to trust the experiences of other like-minded folks rather than demanding an explanation from the product's founder, who wishes to become established after years of work and personal investment before his technology is hijacked by competitors.
We believers are so happy with PPT's products, we don't mind knowing little of how they work to improve our systems, but work they do!
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Oh, brother! That’s what run if the mill reviewers oft say, “I have no idea how these things work but work they do!” I suppose audiophiles are not (rpt not) our last hope for figuring stuff out.
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It is puzzling how some people have such a hard time with the fact that results are entirely independent from explanation. A small child flips a switch, and the light comes on. That child has no understanding of how light bulbs or electricity work, yet the light comes on every time (unless someone forgot to pay the bill 😉).
Scientists conduct experiments, and observe the results. They then seek to understand and explain those results. The results are the same, before and after the explanation. The results don't wait until there is an explanation to manifest. |
Stevepo.
A resounding huge YES.
that is exactly what I have done.
One mat in circuit breaker door and total of 7 ecards scattered around components.
And yes it works extremely well.
From one impoverished aphile to another.....
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Ho Ho, I once believed in Santa Claus. Now my grand kids think I am Santa! "Divinely Inspired"? How about enhanced by physics? |
^^^ Explanation: Divinely inspired.
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My My, how this forum has changed, and then again not. Not to be negative, but I would like a paper or some sort of detail on how this works before outlaying $600. That's only reasonable. I get the same for $10 products and $60k cars. Why not ask for an explanation. I would be certain that there would be a pat. pending on the products? |
Guys, this is a question to those with the alpha ecards: do you think an ecard under main components (avr, htpc, equicore) would will make an appreciable difference as a poor man's solution?
I'm thinking of a full mat for circuit breaker and ecards under my components as a beginner solution since I just don't have the kind of funds many people in this forum seem to. |
I'm not sure why it effected class D sub amps, our monos are bridged via floating. There was some strange interaction with that, FOR SURE.
Dr. Gaw is a truly lovely man, and is currently enjoying Timmy's product line through out his system. Gotta get him some Alpha cards. <3 <3
:) @t_ramey ..... Tim DID NOT WANT TO PULL out the magnets, he believed they worked. I twisted his arm. LOL. After viewing the Youtube video of how the magnets work..... (compressing waves) it made total sense. He held his breath and pulled them out. WE WERE AMAZED. You must try!
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It will take time before this technology is massively embrace by the 'Gurus', but it will eventually happen. I am just glad I did find this discussion and was an early believer. For sure I also think is revolutionary, and it works much better than anything I have try before.
I have used 2 TC tubes (pasted everywhere), placed 6 Omega mats under components and B. Panel and 9 Alpha cards mostly power supplies & crossovers. Yesterday as a curiosity I did experiment removing my power amp and connected my old Rogers (Totally modified crossover) originally rated at 89DB to my modified/improved MZ2 Linear Tube Audio; this headphone Amp can be use as a pre or integrated amp outputting 1 Watt per channel. Again I was surprise NOT by the beautiful delicate and smooth sound, but the ability of the 1 watt to drive these speakers to a very satisfying level, YES i lost a bit of control and drive, however I don't think my amp is going to be reconnected... any time soon!
NO WAY I would be able to achieve this if I didn't implement PerfectPath technologies into my System. Just FREAKING AWESOME! |
I seem to recall Fremer was going to get one of these here products. What ever happened to that deal. It didn’t go down? Too bad Clark Johnsen of Positive Feedback seems to be out of the tweak game. But maybe he’s not. And his buddy, Dr. Gaw.
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As of 2 days ago I now have 8 mats. There has been even more improvement to the bass and the soundstage has again gotten wider and deeper. As some others have stated, I have noticed that my speakers have vanished and there is more separation or air around the music. Even more little details coming thru also, truly awesome |
t_ramey,
I did perceive an improvement when I first added the MC-0.5, and then again when I treated the pins and painted the housing with TC. It had been in place ever since. When I added the mats, I assumed (never a good idea) it would continue to be beneficial, or at least not cause any harm. When Tim shared his experience removing them, I decided to try taking mine out.
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geoffkait,
I'd go with the quantum electron (spin) alignment theory mentioned by mikeg above, but what do I know? It'd be great to understand exactly how it works, but, fortunately, no explanation is required to enjoy the benefits.
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@tommylion
Just so I understand your situation, the TC in your system along with the mc-0.5's was sounding good and when you added the E mats everything improved even further. But now after taking out the mc-0.5's and everything else left the same you're noticing an uptick in performance. So everything with the mc-0.5's was good but its better without them now that you have the E mats? |
At Tim’s suggestion, I also removed the single MC-0.5 I had in my system yesterday. As I understand it, the effect takes several days to wear off, but I am already experiencing a very nice improvement without it. Fortunately (as far as I know) it didn’t cause any other problems with my gear. |
Hey t-ramey, I wouldn't waste the TC on an Ecard, it's two different things.
We recently pulled the mc-05's out of our main system.
We were horrified at the results.
The magnets effected the sound for the WORSE (major compression) and did bizarre stuff to our gear. Made his class D sub amps abnormally hot, even at idle~~~he's got a sophisticated safety diagnostic in his amps, and it wrecked havoc with it....tons more problems..... Much better without. And Yes, Timmy approved this message. LOL. <3
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I'm trying to remember if it was tommylion who had pasted the exterior casing of some HF mc-0.5's with TC and noticed an improvement. Wondering if pasting TC on an eCard would do anything or if its just not necessary. |
OK, here’s what we know. The eCard is not magnetic. So it doesn’t work magnetically. Which means the larger mats don’t work magnetically either. So, the big elephant 🐘 in the room is how does it work? Does it have Graphene inside? If so, how would that do anything? If it’s not Graphene what the ding dong is it?! Share, share! And don’t tell me it’s artificial atoms. |
Yes I agree these e mats and tc paste are game changers |
“This proved to me that quantum alignment of the electrons provided by Perfect Path Technology is a game changer in high end audio.”
mikeg,
you are absolutely correct to call it a game changer. I honestly never dreamed I could achieve what I have with my relatively modest components and system.
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I'm up to 11 Omega Mats and 4 Alpha cards in my system and have pasted all contacts including my ac panel. Grannyring hit the nail on the head when described the improvement as being immersed within the music. The noise floor is almost nonexistent. I recently painted the anode wire to the QB 5/1750 single output tube on my NAT Transmitter monoblocks and that really brought all of my reviewing system components and tweaks together to produce the most beautiful sound in my system to date. This proved to me that quantum alignment of the electrons provided by Perfect Path Technology is a game changer in high end audio. |
You may be right about Doug 🙂 |
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I would bet Doug Schroeder would try them. Although, he switches components in and out of his system so often,for evaluation, that a product like PP contact enhancer would be imparactical and impossible to really evaluate.
I wonder how many audiophiles are really aware of these products.
I can't wait to try the ecard's soon. The PP contact enhancer has been a revelation in my system.
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I am thinking about individuals that spill over with integrity and audio wisdom born out of experience such as Jim Smith, Albert Porter, @almarg , @charles1dad, Doug Schroeder and so many others. Not sure why they are not using these PP products?
All these Perfect Path products represent honest to goodness disruptive level innovations delivering a level of sound quality improvement not previously attainable with any other individual tweak or system upgrade. That revolutionary in my humble opinion. Scratching my head as to why individuals such as these, as well as open minded builders, are not talking about these products?
Is it because it is utterly preposterous believing these benign looking mats, cards, and paste do indeed perform the way we owners know they do? I think so. That’s it really. Anyway, I have long enjoyed sharing about true gems and genuine stellar values in our hobby and these PP products top my all time list to date. Whatever the technology is within these products I can say with excitement that we Aphiles are in for an unprecedented ear opening season of innovation. This bus has left the station and we are now in that season with these products. |
The TC treatment on the power conditioner and speaker crossovers are really paying dividends now. Its been just about four weeks since the power conditioner was treated and almost two weeks for the crossovers.
As most of us have experienced, there’s a jump in SQ at four weeks and another one at eight weeks after pasting with TC. Well, last night, the four-week jump from the power conditioner kicked in big time.
Lawdy Lawdy, Miss Claudie ... I dug deep into the LP vault and pulled out some early 60’s and 70’s rock records. I listen to this stuff very rarely, preferring jazz, jazz vocals, and classical. BUT ... after last night there will be more "rockin" going on at my place for sure.
The combination of the Total Contact and the Omega E Mats allows one to hear into the music so much further. What a joy!
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We can certainly help you spend money here!
But with a $100k system you may be shocked how much further you can elevate its performance.
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@shkong78 You got that right, read at your own risk |
Come on Guys, you make me spend more money.
E mat appears to be too expensive.
I will try out E-card instead.
I shall not come into threads in Audiogon Forum to save money. |
Darn it!
Probably going to have to order another pack of 5 ecards now!
May as well throw another mat in while I am at it! |
I was thinking about starting a new thread on this one, but Its just as well to have at it here.
I received my five-pack of the Alpha E Cards in today's mail. The first experiment was with my cell phone. I placed one E Card inside the back of the cell phone's protective cover. I immediately noticed a sharper, clearer picture with better color. After that, I took a break to watch the LSU vs Georgia game.
I'm now typing this at my computer (duh!) and listening to Spotify through my Grado RS-1 headphones. The Grado's have a flat surface on the outside of the ear speakers. I just completed an experiment. I took the other four cards, put two in each hand, and held them up to the flat Grado surface. This makes for a very easy A/B comparison.
The Grado's are a very nice headphone and I've enjoyed them immensely over the years. Bottom line ... When I held the E Cards up to the phones, the sound became much more spacious with lots more inner-detail. More musical too. With the E cards removed, all the benefits go away.
Highly recommended ... !!
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Grannyring, I agree with you. I have 6 e mats and waiting on more in the mail. With each e mat added the sound gets better and better. I have never been so happy with my system as I am now. |
Great to hear grannyring! I have a Sonore ultraRendu that I intend to put an e-card under and over when I get ready to order some. Glad to see you’re getting such good results!
i just moved in to my new place and was able to this time paste some TC to the wall wire to my Furutech NCF receptacles for both my HT and main stereo rig with great results. Still need to try the TC on my speakers crossovers. |
grannyring,
Tell us how you really feel 😉
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