Question for cable/wire naysayers.....

devilboyIf you truly want to hear what your amplifier sounds like, the most logical approach would be to have speaker wire that is exactly the same wire that goes to your amp’s binding posts

That's not logical at all, because the length of a cable has a lot to do with its characteristics, including resistance. You'll want a much heavier gauge cable for your 10-foot amplifier-to-speaker cable than you'd need for the few inches of cable that's inside your amplifier.

Also, the same wire should go from your speaker’s binding posts to its drivers.

Again, this does not make much sense. In a typical speaker with a passive crossover, the cable going to each driver only sees a fraction of the total current that is at the output of the amplifier.

And as an FYI, some speaker systems do use quite high quality internal wiring.

I always think of the responses in threads where ’nay sayers’ erupt, as being the outlier, the minimal, like 1 or 2 or 4 voices in a crowd of hundreds.

Which is true.

the reality is, if you get all the readers of a given thread in a room, there would be hundreds of them. Hundreds.

Then, in that room, 2-3-5-6 people ’disagree’. Some start shouting and waving their arms around, throwing anger and vitriol at all the other people in the room, throwing it at the silent majority of ~hundreds~.

So when you look at the naysayers who spend their lives keeping the threads alive with their disagreements, look at the number of views of the thread and you can calculate, to a certain degree.... that you are dealing with a ~totally dismissable~ extremely small minority of those few who won’t back down on their extreme minority viewpoint.

They don’t truly realize they are in a room of hundreds of people who feel differently, hundreds of people who don’t feel the need to engage them.

the naysayers do not have a strong viewpoint for the majority or masses.

They just have a keyboard and an unwillingness to back down. All they a have to do is wake up and look around the room (’forum thread room’ full of viewers/readers). They are surrounded by hundreds of silent people who feel and know otherwise.

I engage them at times, simply due to the fact that the silent majority is also generally not noting that the few naysayers do not have a real functional position that the majority is interested in dealing with or taking on. That the majority of silent readers of the given thread to not realize they are dealing with very minor outliers.

And that, in a nutshell, is the nature of these ongoing war like threads.

The silent majority of hundreds to low thousands, is not visible to the eyes as a physical presence. But they are most definitely there.

think about it. Think of the given thread being a room of 400 people, meeting, and having a discussion. Four people keep disputing it and trying to tear down the meeting itself.. to tear down the intent and meaning of the meeting. Refusal to stop, means they would be ejected from the meeting or removed by force if necessary. The forum is this sort of large hall meeting, but done through keyboards. See it for what it is.

Funny that you talk about the silent majority (remember who introduced the term?). Anyhow, science is not decided by votes but by facts.

Well, I’ll be kind and take your comment as being not fully fleshed out, and not be inflamed via the holes that can be fleshed out by me and used to insense myself.

Which your two line post is chock full of. We have to be careful to not make the kind of incomplete statements we can get away with in person, as the the back and forth can take place in seconds and also has our own particular physical presence to help mitigate misunderstanding.

The implication is, put in the effort, leave the emotions at home in a box and do it right. Or stay home. whic is aimed at all, no specific person. Avoid the self inflammation and also avoid the inflammation tactic. Which is how the internet forums grew up, sadly. Heck, things like reddit are based on inflaming and baiting. Tis’ a sad sack of effluent, at best.

Problem is, I can do it right all day long, but some jack will run up behind me or another given person who is trying to do it right and run them through with some short curt written sword of some sort, one that has nothing do do with handling the subject properly or in the vein of a communication that resolves the points at hand.

Points which are incredibly unlikely to be resolved in print -- at the best of times.

Put two opposed viewpoints into a thread on a forum and you are looking at the law of diminishing returns taken to heretofore unknown levels of pointlessness. Which is how the barbs and viciousness gain a foothold.

So,
-pointless barbs and viciousness,
-arguments that cannot be won,
-small minority of unyielding handwavers
-a large room built out of a silent majority

Saving forums and building them up to high levels of participation involves dealing with the small minority of itinerant punchers and kickers.

I felt this thread was trolling but it seems to have life. Good to see some healthy skeptics providing balance to the tin foilers who think the Holy Grail in audio are interconnects and speaker wire.

It is obvious that excellent audio equipment design should maximize the audio signal fidelity and minimize ALL other factors (cables, power, RF/EM noise, transformer Hum etc etc).

My answer to the tin foilers is: If you own audio devices that are incapable of minimizing (below audibility) extraneous factors then get rid of said devices and find something that actually works properly!!!