Sometimes I feel like I'd like to crawl through my DSL line just to see how big some of you audio bullies really are. Thank God I'm not involved in this!!! Lugnut and Slipknot (sounds like a MK & BM together..) Please forgive Raoul. He hasn't done the internal organ cleansing I prescribed him a few weeks ago. Neither he has cleansed himself in the ocean. He's going to keep knocking till he gets the *flush*... *** |
Hey Raoul, Yesterday I ran into a box w/business cards and I found the one belonging to my beloved Mexican model (lives in Tlaltenco Tláhuac, Xochimilco). I thought my then South American *amiga* had thrown the card in the trash! Anyway, this model was one of the Puro Loco TV program models. Forget about audio for a moment...she's about five feet-seven, dark brown skin, curvaceous body, long brown hair, a six pack PLUS a very *fleshy* mouth!!! My girlfriend, the exotic dancer in Monterrey is a whole different *animal*...and also has a six pack!!! Viva México. With psychic power and primal intensity, |
I have a question for Paul Frumkin regarding the water. RRL boasts about their "quadruple deionized water" used in their formulas. I still don't know what "quadruple deionized water" is, though I have worked in the ultrapure water industry. I take that term as a marketing buzzword for [ cation resin + anion resin + mixed bed resin + mixed bed resin ] purification train, like what is used for laboratory grade instrument calibration water. My question is, do you think using ultrapure water might improve the performance of your products? It seems to me that so far the Beta testers are very satisfied with the results. Now ultrapure water is an entirely different animal. With about $50-$60 you could buy a small mixed bed resin cannister and run the distilled water through it, converting it into decent quality ultrapure, conductivity in the less than .060 uSiemens or so...and add a SECOND beta test round!!! *** |
Excellent, Jphii! That's good, thorough work, fair within the practical constraints of such a test. Right on. Paul, I am in the process of moving to Florida early next week and could not take up your offer to test your product. I have been, however, paying attention on your test and what exactly the Record Research products, which rely on ultrapure water, do. Professionally, I hold a degree in Aquatic Science, so I can get pretty technical, except when someone like Raoul ticks my nerves...and then I start giving my "prescriptions". The subject of resin chemistry can get complicated and demands time and thorough thinking to understand. When I went through corporate training everybody had BS degrees and was having a hard time (except the chemists). What goes on is that as a resin begins to exhaust, the heavier ions ( SiO2, Ca+2, etc, ) are released in favor of the smaller, lighter ones. This is a broad generalization, as an anion resin will exhibit a Silica dip before actually breaking through--just to get a broad picture. Final polishing stages should be devoid of bivalent atoms and ions in order to assure the highest purity. The system I used to run would have gas transfer membranes followed by activated carbon + hydrazine to remove CO2 + O2 past the reverse osmosis unit, which delivered the water @ 8 to 9 uSiemens. A softener followed the degassing units and then on to electrodeionization stacks which mainly removed monovalent ions. After that were two mixed bed polishers in series which brought the water to specs (0.055 uSiemens conductivity, TOC < 20 ppb, SiO2 < 5ppb, DO < 5ppb). Why am I saying all this? 1) Because the water coming out was as pure as the laboratory reagent water and I could clean my glasses of all grease with just a Kim-wipe and ultrapure water. I think ultrapure water has applications to remove stuff from records AFTER initial cleansing and perhaps might benefit being the mixing agent for concentrated solution. 2) Because ultrapure can be made relatively inexpensively in the home if distilled water is available. Considering the price (or pricelessness) of a record collection, this deionization cartridge is more than affordable and simple to use: Deionization filter I think it would make ideal rinse/mixing water for the hobbyist. If anybody is interested I can compile a bibliography of scientific articles on the subject of resin chemistry and demineralized water (after I move & get settled). With psychic power and primal intensity, |
Just talked to Paul Frumkin on the phone, courtesy of MCI's The Neighborhood program... From our conversation (and posted results) I can tell that Paul is definitely on the right track on how to achieve proper record cleaning. Making ultrapure water is a specialty subject indeed, but I convinced him that using it in the mixing of his #2 solution would improve results by no small margin. Clean water IS better, Jphii. The thing is that ultrapure water does not behave like reverse osmosis nor distilled water. There comes a point in purity where the water turns into a powerful solvent (that's why it's used in steam blows in plants). Just ultrapure water in steam form is a powerful cleaner. Maybe in a cleaner future you can Beta test two batches of #2 mixed w/ distilled water and ultrapure water, respectively. We'll see, things look good. Where's Raoul? *** |
Jphii, you will also need a small pump. As I was explaining Paul, resin tanks/cartridges need minimum flow/pressure throughputs in order to avoid channeling and optimize laminar flow down the bed. Channeling happens when there is not enough flow/pressure and the water flows down a narrow funnel path, using only a small portion of the resin and prematurely exhausting it, causing breakthrough. This is readily visible, as I had tanks channel on me when the customer gave me insufficient water flow/pressure. The people at Aquatic Ecosystems are a competent staff and will be able to give you all the technical support you need. They flew me for an interview in Orlando back in May (but didn't hire me). Their technical manager, a civil engineer w/ a PhD, didn't know I was there and was forced to interview me on the spot. He started asking me questions about fluid mechanics, pumping systems design and stuff I have absolutely no knowledge of! Oh well, I didn't see me in call center 8 hours a day anyway... The technical info I've given is not to brag, but necessary to understand and operate a little system like the one I recommend. Paul is right about gases--they will diffuse back into the water and make it "not ultrapure", especially CO2. The anion resin will be the first to exhaust, since CO2 hydrolyzes into carbonate, bicarbonate and carbonic acid (the water will tend to become acidic then). As the resin exhausts it will be unable to adsorb the heavier/more positively charged ions and will dump them, favoring the lighter/less charged ions. This little system will be able to deliver water of a purity that's pretty close to that one used for nuclear reactors in submarines: they distill seawater and then run it through resins. Do not use any activated carbon, even if tempted. That will clean the water but load it with organic carbon compounds ( NO! ). When the system is started in needs to be flushed till water reaches proper conductivity/specs. At Beaver Balley nuke they use stationary & mobile equipment with the carbon/hydrazyne deoxygenating rig prior to the resin trailer and on a Monday it takes two-three hours of flushing to bring the organic carbon levels down to spec. In the mobile trailers I have used (fed with tap water) spec will usually be reached within 5 to 7 minutes. If using distilled water I'd give an educated guess of around 3 to 5 minutes. That means it's more practical to make smaller batches of demin water and fill them to the top, airtight. Using the system often and making small batches will prolong the service life of the resins. Is it worth it? I think so. Doing a final rinse with ultrapure water will extract what's left on the record surface and the results will be more worthwhile than using this or that $700 power cord, for sure. I have talked about this with Jena Labs (Jennifer Crock) and she gets better results as the water gets purer and purer. On another note, once the record has gone through a two step cleansing an occasional cleansing with ultrapure water might be all that is needed if there's no fungal growth and/or fingerprints on the record surface. Well Sean, that was a very short "self imposed vacation". Now you understand how I feel when you start getting technical and I state that I don't know how to read! I have no electrical/electronics knowledge but I *do* know my water. It takes all kinds... *** |
Where's TWL? I just came from doing my last laundry in Toledo and guess what? One of the *mature* waitresses was doing laundry, too! NO abdominal fat, WOW!!! Get that BMW 'cycle ready, Tom...Sistrum should give you an 'entertainment' allowance! I'm going off the air until who knows...best to everyone. I found a one liter bottle of ultrpure water among my things. If any of you testers is interested I could send it next week. Let me know via private e-mail. Anybody heard from Raoul? *** |
"Ultrapure water can be quite aggressive depending on what it is being used on. You should read some of Jon Risch's comments about it over at AA." Oh, yeah! I posted that it dissolved the nose grease out of my glasses! I went for a week of training at DuPont plant that outsourced the ultrapure water to this company I worked for. The guy training me told me that DuPont started using ultrapure water in their pressure washers. It simply ate them. As I said, ultrapure water will strip ions from the water, and will usually become acidic. The use here it's just to *quickly* remove "loose stuff" from the records either as the second step cleaner and/or final rinse with the use of a vacuum machine. No big deal when compared to actually riding and constantly accelerating a little diamond chisel on the grooves...and with "stuff" in between. I've been using just ultrapure water all this time on my Discwasher (just a few drops) and stylus and am very pleased with the results. My records stay clean with just the ultrapure water after being given my proprietary "Purple Death" deep cleansing treatment. I am concerned about the aluminum stylus cantilever being 'eaten' by the water, so I've backed off on that a bit. Let me go! I've got to get the UHaul!!!!!!!!! *** |
Enzymes (biological catalysts) usually have very narrow temperature operating ranges. If the temperature goes up beyond a certain point the enzymes break down. That's one of the main reasons fevers are so dangerous for the human body. The tap water in Florida is horrible! Smells like swamp water (it *is* processed swamp water). There's a lot of sulfur and other organics in the water--nasty. At my parent's house they get the water from a mountain rain forest--it's a big difference... Well Paul, you're on your way. I'm happy for you. *** |
Where are the mamis, Albert? The concierge looks kind of worn out--I had a prettier Norwegian in entomology class!!! Nordic women have their own particular type of *curvaceous* body (I call it the Nordic body). Ah, wish I had an 'ethnically diverse' harem... Paul, did you get my e-mail? You need to get your ultrapure water system baseline data ASAP. I'll walk you through the motions, it's simple and the service life ( and consistent quality ) of the system will be greatly enhanced. I am at an extended stay place and have DSL--also got a Verizon walkie-talkie. As I figured, there's plenty of work in my field but the four hurricanes have messed things up. |
