Addendum:
I auditioned the Paradigm S8's in my home, courtesy of Steve, the wonderful dealer who sold to me the Paradigm Studio 100 V 3 speakers, for which I still have a soft spot in my heart, and respect in my mind. The S8's were an incremental improvement over the Studio 100's, with a smoother and more detailed high end, better bottom end extension, and very similar soundstaging capabilities. I felt that they were a very fine loudspeaker, with absolutely no glaring weaknesses. They probably extend lower than the Summits, but I am not sure. For my wife and me, the difference over the Studios was insufficiently compelling to trigger their purchase, but they are most certainly a very fine and balanced loudspeaker worthy of of due consideration, IMO. |
Listener57:
Wow, thanks for the kind words! Everything said in that review was true, and I would have to thank you, as well for having that same courage to post your thoughts on the clock thread. I had a similar tweak experience with respect to Dakiom feedback stabilizers. The clock thread was actually posted in an attempt to get some information, and the wording in the original post was intended to stir things up a bit with a sense of humor. Hopefully it did not come across as mean spirited, as that was not the intention at all. The fact that people like myself can't discern any potentially understandable mechanism of action doesn't negate the device's potential effectiveness. After all, nobody in the world even knows for sure how gravity works, but it still seems to function quite consistently, for me anyway...... |
Thanks Drubin! Here's my attempt to use the "markup tags" to display the link: Intuitive Design Website{{{Dale Pitcher's been around for many, many years, but has been rather taciturn with respect to promoting his phenomenal products. Consider this: He has been in high end audio for over 25 years, and has never had to declare bankruptcy. When's the last time you EVER saw an ad from him??? He's nevertheless selling quite well, and apparently virtually all of the success is due to word of mouth, like me. Well, perhaps I have a bigger "mouth" than some of his prior customers, but I'm so exuberant about these that I felt like people on this site at least deserved to HEAR about these...Anyway....}}} |
Ray, Thanks for your kind comments. These deserve a listen. They are the real deal, and even at 5,000 (WITH THE STANDS), I truly consider these to be a "steal". AFTER I bought them and they kept sounding better and better and better and better as they broke in, I finally called Dale Pitcher (this is the truth, I swear), and asked him why he'd priced these so low, at least relative to their performance. He said that the issue had been discussed, and that it was decided to price these based on production costs, rather than "what the market will bear". WOW! How's that for integrity? One thing to remember is that these sound good with good electronics, great with great electronics, and fantastic with fantastic electronics (and Stillpoints, sand in the stands, etc.) Thanks again for taking the time to read the review.
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Hello Powder, It's ironic that you should mention the Super Gems, the Summits, and the Caravelles. One of the threads about the Caravelles on this site is called, "Outstanding Speakers, Outstanding" or something like that. After listening to the Summits, but BEFORE hearing anything about the history you mention above, I posted (11/08/05) that the experience I'd been having with the Summits was "eerily similar" to what one of the participants in that thread had reported in their prior review of the Caravelles.
Well, anyway, I'm extremely pleased with the Intuitive Design Summits, which represent Dale's most current two-way dynamic loudspeaker design iteration, and which therefore incorporate his newest, most recently developed, best technology, and thus convey all of the attendant sonic benefits, as described above in the review.
I'm so happy that I'm not very anxious to change anything right now, although the pictures of the Intuitive Design room from "The Show" do demonstrate some amplifiers that Dale has mounted in the Path Stands of the Summits......I love the Odyssey, though, so we'll have to see. |
I haven't personally heard the Denalis, but the answer seems to be a huge, "yes" for them. According to Duane, Dale "invented something" to make the two six inch (I think that's the size) woofers in the Denalis go so deep. You may want to check out the reviews on the Denalis. I think there's a Six Moons review, but don't remember. One poster on Audiogon commented that they had great dynamic range, I think he heard them at the RMAF. I checked his system and he has huge electrostatics, as I remember. Anyway, everything I've seen would suggest that they're extremely dynamic, including the bass.
The Pingora is a new one on me! What's that?
Best thing to do is call Dale Pitcher when he returns from Connecticut in a few days. He always tells the truth about everything, as far as I can tell. Duane has heard the Denalis and he'll tell you the straight dirt too.
Thanks for reading the review. It seems funny that these are Dale's "baby" speakers! I can't even imagine how great the Denalis must be. Have fun. |
Rja:
I believe that they are. I DO know that the capacitors are manufactured on site. These speakers are just SO wonderful! I've actually pondered about what the production facility must look like, and have even wondered what it must be like to live in Wyoming. Kind of weird, isn't it?
Anyway, I wish more people knew about these (despite having NO vested financial or other interest). Oh well. |
Stylinlp_38:
You said:
"Only thing that concerns me about the reviewer is his speaker setup in those pictures."
My answer: It is time to share my tragic story: One day I came home and that huge "entertainment center" was in place. I pretty much had given up hope about stereo imaging, but Steve was actually able to get the Paradigms to image fairly well. The Summits image in a spectacular manner, as described in the review. It's as if that huge wooden structure between the speakers doesn't exist. The sound described above is achieved in THAT room, with no special treatments at all. Nevertheless, I would agree that that room is obviously not a dedicated listening room. So...., consider what these speakers could do if they WERE set up in such room! :) (The entertainment center was definitely not my idea, however, it seems to do less sonic damage than one would think.)
You also said: "Plus the only comparision is against mid-fi product Paradigm Studio 100 V3."
My answer: The Paradigms are the only other speakers I compared these to that I had personally owned; however, the above review does describe how several reasonably well respected loudspeakers fared (IN MY OPINION ONLY) when I listened to them in the stores.
You also said: "Another thing, speaker cabinets made of granite...if it works it works. Its probably more a composite of other materials with the granite."
My answer: The cabinets are solid granite. Each cabinet comprises six separate slabs of solid granite which are joined together. The description of the gross shipping weight per speaker (see Synopsis) should corroborate that.
Finally, you also said that I was: "Obviously not a dedicated audiophile."
Hard to say, as that would depend upon the definition of audiophile used. I will say this: You should listen to these with your OWN ears and see if YOU think they sound as great I think they sound. In the end, that's the ONLY thing that matters. For all you know, I'm an idiot with a tin ear. So it's your job to listen to these if you're in the market for speakers. One piece of advice though: It's a BAD idea to listen to these AFTER you've purchased speakers that you paid a lot for and thought sounded good. You may find yourself getting upset, as I did.
Good luck on your quest, and thanks for taking the time to read such a long-winded review. |
Rja,
You'll not be disappointed if you listen to these. They are truly special, even among special loudspeakers. Dale Pitcher is an absolute genius, and yet has somehow remained below the radar screen of most audiophiles for all these years. His ongoing relative obscurity remains to me one of the central paradoxes in all of high end audio. The only reason I found out about him was because of Duane. I am SO glad that I did.
If you listen to these and then go fly fishing, then yes, you'll most likely be in paradise. These speakers are the high end audio catch of my lifetime so far. And that's no fish story! |
Yes, I cut and pasted it to Audioreview. Accidentally posted it under the Ohm Walsh F. Have written them REPEATED emails telling them of my mistake over probably at least a two week period. Got ONE response, saying they could "move" it, and they never did. I've even snooped around on the site and found a direct email option to at least one of the moderators (I think). I've still had no responses so far (unless something is magically waiting in my email, which I haven't checked for 2 or 3 days), and will be on vacation for a few days with limited computer access. I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS MISTAKE. I don't blame anybody for being skeptical. (Actually it was a great find!! I thought nobody would see it but still have tried to get it removed but to no avail.) I had put so much work into the review that I wanted others to see it. I even asked Audiogon if it was OK to cut and paste. Audiogon responded that it was as long as it was MY review. Audioreview has been less responsive to repeated emails. I'll sure as h--- be more careful in the future. Sorry about that, to all of my fellow A'gon-izers. --Bill |
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Richmon, You said: "My apologies for jumping to conclusions and butchering the Kings english....Mdhoover -I'm sorry" WOW! THAT is real class!! Apology NOT necessary, but accepted! By the way, please accept my apology as well! I'M the "cut & paste" culprit, as I mentioned above, but it was an honest (albeit stupid) mistake. The correct speaker is the Intuitive Design Summit. I've never even heard the Ohm Walsh F. For future reference, I've ALSO cut & pasted the review to Audioasylum, but on THAT site I managed to get it under the right speaker name. (Audiogon did say that it was okay to cut and paste as long as it was MY review, not someone else's.) Tvad, Raytheprinter, Duane, and Nap45@juno.com: Thanks for the votes of confidence! It's great to have cool friends. Richmon, with the internet, skepticism is NOT always a bad thing, as we all know. It's actually a tribute to your thoroughness that you even found the "misplaced" copy on Audioreview. If you get a chance, and if you are interested in purchasing phenomenal speakers that do almost everything right, then (in my opinion) it would be wise to at least listen to the Summits. Thanks again to everybody. Sorry about the "oops". Oh well.... Bill |
In case anyone's interested, I was ticked off to see that the misplaced review still sits untouched on Audioreview. I sent them yet another email request to remove it under the "report this review" link. I may have been too subtle, but hopefully the point will come across if they read between the lines. Here's a "cut and paste" of the text:
"I've written your site MULTIPLE emails begging you to remove this review. I wrote this review and placed it in the WRONG SPOT ON YOUR SITE!!! IT'S NOT ABOUT THE OHM WALSH F!!! It's about an entirely different speaker, called the Intuitive Design Summit. Please, please, PLEASE remove it! NOW! It makes me look like an idiot to have this thing sitting around in cyberspace. One person already spotted it and pointed it out. It made him suspicious of me and I DON'T BLAME HIM!!!!
Here's my request: PLEASE REMOVE THIS REVIEW WHICH IS PLACED UNDER THE WRONG SPEAKER!
Thanks."
I'm not holding my breath. One would think that they'd nix it, but nothing at all so far. (The above is probably around the TENTH (or so) email I've sent them.)
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The misplaced review has finally been deleted from the Audioreview website. Better late than never.... |
Now that over a year has passed since posting the original review, my initial enthusiasm for these speakers might be expected to have waned. It hasn’t. Although these speakers are not perfect, they are phenomenal. I’ve had extensive private email discussions with other hard core audiophiles who have come to the same conclusion I did. The most phenomenal aspects of these are: 1. The spectacular imaging, which is all achieved in my system in spite of the presence of the huge entertainment center (“Gladys”) and 2. The phenomenal combination of high end detail and smoothness. I’ve heard one person say that they sounded “bright” or “harsh” or something like that, whereas another person described them as “cloyingly sweet.” It’s difficult for me to see how they could be BOTH of those things! In my opinion, and in the opinion of several others, they’re neither overly bright nor overly sweet. I think that they’re just phenomenally accurate and detailed, lightning fast, yet wonderfully smooth and non-fatiguing. There are a few things to keep in mind about the Summits: 1. Although they aren't hugely difficult to drive, they DO LIKE POWER AND CURRENT from the amplifier, and they do reflect the upstream equipment in terms of sound quality. Having said that, I STILL have never heard them sound "bad." However, they sound increasingly phenomenal with increasing better upstream components. For example, mine sound much better with the Dodson DAC in the signal chain. Without the Dodson in the signal chain, the system still sounds excellent, but with the Dodson, the sound is phenomenal as described above. 2. They sound very good, but not phenomenal, right out of the box. As they burn in their sound improves by the day, sometimes seemingly by the hour. 2. The Stillpoints with granite stands underneath and granite platforms under those are the way to go for maximum bass and imaging. They DO benefit a LOT from the addition of a great subwoofer that’s carefully set up, but they are not bass shy at all. The Rel I’m using has the crossover set at 27 hertz. 3. During any given listening session, they sound better after ~20 minutes, which I've been told is how long it takes the voice coils to warm up. At this time there are no plans to replace these and I haven’t felt inclined to listen to any other high end speakers that I can think of since buying these over a year ago. It is very doubtful that they’ll leave the house any time soon (think years to decades here), unless it’s to buy the “Delta” Summits. I MAY upgrade some other parts of the system, and do plan to change out some cabling, but that’s not to correct any perceived significant performance problem. Instead, it’s just a giddy attempt to push the envelope still further. |
In the November issue of the Pacific Northwest Audio Society's newsletter, the Intuitive Design Summits were designated "Best of Show," at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest. The newsletter is a 19 page pdf file that can be downloaded. The RMAF show report begins on page 11, and the "Best of Show" section of the report is on pages 14 and 15. The author is Dick Mueller. Looking at some of the speakers mentioned in the report, earning Mr. Mueller's designation of "Best of Show" would appear to be no small accomplishment! |
As far as I know, the Delta Summit is an upgraded version of the original Summit. Last time I checked, these sold for 5,000 dollars for the speakers as opposed to 3,500 dollars for the original version. Both use the Path Stand System, which is highly recommended but not absolutely necessary. The Path Stand System sells for ~1,400 dollars, if the price is still the same.* It is the Delta Summit that was selected Best of Show at the 2006 RMAF by Dick Mueller of the Pacific Northwest Audio Society. *FOOTNOTE: It is ALSO possible to buy the Path Stands with dedicated monoblock amplifiers mounted inside of them, vertically, and in such a manner as to be completely uncoupled from the stand itself, or "free floating" as I understand it. There are apparently three grades available for these amplified stands as well. The stands with the amps built in are called Coordinate Stands (I think).
The amplifiers are said to be extremely high end, and are made in partnership with Musical Design (John Hillig).
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Nap45,
One other thing: Apparently the only difference between the original Summits and the Delta Summits is the crossover. In the Delta Summits, the crossover is even better, and uses technology based on that in the MUCH more expensive Denali (which retails for something like 64 or 65 thousand dollars, if I'm not mistaken). Apparently at least some of the same components are also used.
Having said all that, I have no complaints whatsoever about the original version Summits that I still own. I just can't say that I'm pining for any sort of upgrade. Maybe I'll consider it some day, and maybe I won't. Their sound is already FAR beyond my elusive threshold of "satisfaction." For me, that's saying a lot. It took about 15 years or so or intermittent searching and listening to find speakers that completely satisfied me (just ask Duane!!!), which means I'm in no hurry to fix what ain't broken. |
"What are Delta Summits ? Any information available ?" -nap45@juno.com nap45@juno.com, Here’s some additional information about the Delta Summits. With the author's permission, here's a verbatim cut and paste of an email I got from another Audiogon member after he got his pair of Delta Summits: "HI Bill,
I got them yesterday!! I have them set up on the Path stands but I don't have any Stillpoints yet and drive them with ASL Hurricane tube amps.
They are stunning. I stayed up til 2:30 am listening to them. Their resolution and lack of self-noise is unbelievable. They replace Magnepan 3.6/r's. The only thing the Maggies do better is soundstage height. Everything else is better on the Summit. The way they resolve soundstage cues and dynamic contrasts is magical. They have detail and resolution a la Martin Logan but they are much more musical. I am a happy camper. The speakers are beyond wonderful. Thank you for your insights and review.
Please stay in touch.
Eung Kim" My take on his email is that he likes them... :)) |
A friend of mine plays double bass in the Quad Cities Symphony Orchestra. I wanted to have a real professional musician listen to my system to assess its timbral accuracy. He came over with a CD of a double bass piece which he had practiced and played. He was thoroughly familiar with every little intricacy. He commented that it sounded like the bass was in the room. He asked to listen to several musical genres and commented that the Summits sounded good on all types of program material. I figured that was the end of it, but was happy to get some validation of my own perceptions from a non-audiophile musician with a great musical ear.
The next day I get a call at work from my wife who says that he's planning to purchase and build a stereo system around the Summits! He said that he didn't know that speakers could sound like that and that he was now "hooked." This is highly significant because he was a non-audiophile and therefore NOT used to high end audio prices. However, he IS an audiophile now and has ordered a pair of Summits with amplified stands. I had no idea he would pick up the audiophile hobby (disease?) from just one listen, but he was totally blown away. Pretty cool. |
Well, I've finally heard a pair of loudspeakers that I believe are clearly superior to the Intuitive Design Summits. These are almost certainly the best speakers I've ever heard. I went to a friend's house and listened to his system for several hours. There are several points upon which these other speakers (in his system, at least) surpass the excellence of the Summits: 1) Detail: The Summits are astonishingly detailed and yet incredibly smooth. So much so that I've already sold a Stax system that consisted of the SRM T1 tube energizer (amplifier) and two sets of earspeakers (headphones), the Lambda Pro Signature originals and Lambda Pro Signatures modified into 404s. Why? The Stax system didn't sound good enough to me. And yet these other speakers offer noticeably MORE detail still, and are every bit as smooth, if not more so. 2) Top to bottom tonality and timbre: These are very highly excellent in the Summits, even more so when one considers that they are "just" a two way design. In the above anecdote, I describe having invited a real musician to listen to the Summits' tonality and timbre as a reality check for me. It never crossed my mind that he'd be interested in ever purchasing a pair, especially since he's not (or wasn't anyway) an audiophile. But he was totally blown away, and is about to take delivery on a pair. Yes, they're THAT good. These other speakers are even BETTER, and as I listened the thought went through mind that these are perfect, just PERFECT. I know that that isn't realistic to say, but geez! OK, they can't be perfect, but they're the closest I've heard. It's almost ineffable. It's difficult to imagine wanting much more in a speaker. 3. Soundstaging: I wouldn't say that these are superior to the Summits in terms of soundstaging, although they may be. They seemed to be at least as good, and that's an accomplishment in and of itself. All the more so because they're significantly larger than the Summits, yet they disappear just as magically. At FIRST, it seemed like some of the sound at the lateral edges of the soundstage was localizing to the speakers. THEN I realized that the speakers were actually throwing those side images BEHIND themselves. In other words, I could stare at the baffle and the music would seem to emanate from BEHIND the speaker by one or two feet, and that was with looking at them straight on, KNOWING that it was an illusion. But WOWZA, what an illusion! 4. Bass: The bass on these is clearly deeper than that of the Summits when the Summits are used alone. Even with the Rel Storm 3 added (as it is in my system), the bass from these other speakers is probably more "accurate." Also, something I don't remember EVER hearing before--in ANY speaker--is imaging of DEEP bass. These speakers seem to do that, however, and to do it rather well. The Rel pretty much throws all the deep bass to the center. Also, there MAY be more boominess to the Rel (I'm not sure about this boominess thing and will have to listen more). Having said that, I STILL love the bass that the Rel adds to my system. But it can't image. How could it? The system I'm talking about consists of the following: FRONT END: Wadia 861SE CD player (no preamp necessary) modified by Great Northern Sound Company (GNSC Statement Upgrade). AMPLIFIER: Essence solid state stereo amp, one of the last made by Dale Pitcher under the Essence brand. ===>>SPEAKERS: Denalis, by Intuitive Design.<<=== I'm still keeping the fabulous Summits (yes, I'm willing to suffer--LOL), but man, the Denalis are amazing. Just AMAZING. |
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Agear, Since you were already thrilled with the Delta Summits WITHOUT the matching Coordinate amplified stands, I'll be very interested to hear what you think of them WITH the Coordinate amplified stands. I'll probably cave some day and get the Deltas and Coordinate amplified stands. But for me it's not a huge hurry, because after over two years, I'm still smitten. Plus, the very first order of business is to get rid of the massive entertainment center I call Gladys, which is currently parked between the Summits (they still sound great even with that thing in between them, though). My wife has given that the green light. Woohoo! That will happen when our finances allow. THEN I'll think about getting the Delta Summits, and the Coordinate amplified stands. But as I said, the REGULAR Summits sound SO good to me that I'm not itching for an upgrade*. *FOOTNOTE: That's a good thing too, because when I told my wife I wanted to buy the Summits, she was appalled. We had just gotten new speakers about a year prior to that. She told me that she pretty much expected the Summits to be my last new speakers for 10 years. So, since the Deltas are still technically "Summits," it could be argued that getting them doesn't "count" as getting new speakers, especially since I'd just be having my current Summits upgraded to the Delta version. :)) But I'm STILL not in any hurry to make changes (except for Gladys). "If it ain't broke....." Well, you know that aphorism ends. |
Hi Rick, I bought the Signal Cable upgraded Speakon cable and I've never regretted purchasing it. I can't say that I've done any back and forth A-B testing versus the stock cable; instead I just put it in and never took it out to check for the improvement. Kind of lazy on my part, but when you see how huge the massive entertainment center, Gladys, is, it becomes more obvious why I dread going behind to mess with the cables. I will say that the sound certainly doesn't seem to be any worse with it--the Rel sounds great and adds measurably to the sound when turned on, which it almost always is. What I can say is that it's certainly a very nice looking cable, and much thicker than the stock version. Also, the terminations at the amplifier end are custom made to fit into my amplifiers' binding posts, rather than having to thread the skinny wires that come with the stock cable. So, even without having done A/B testing of relative sound quality, I still like this cable better than the stock version due to its apparent higher build quality and greater ease of use (although I might have ordered it longer if I had it to do over again). Given the low price (at least in audiophile dollars, that is.....) of the Signal Cable upgrade, I think it's tough to go wrong. |
Dimensions and weights, etc. (Rounded off): Speakers: 19 ½ x 13½ x 11 inches, GROSS shipping weight = 84 lbs (each) (i.e. this includes the boxes) Path Stands: 18 x 13 x 11¼ inches, GROSS shipping weight = 92 lbs (each) (i.e. this includes the boxes). The path stands are partially hollow and designed to have sand added. The 92 pound gross shipping weight does not include the sand. The amount of sand poured in varies depending on the room and other factors. There is another thing that is optional but recommended, and several other owners concur with this: Placing granite surface plates under the whole setup (underneath the stands, which are underneath the speakers). Mine and Rx8man's are 18 x 12 x 3 inches each and weigh 75 pounds each.
With respect to the difference between the regular and Gamma Summits, others such as Agear and Interlochen might be able to comment more accurately than I could. |
Rx8man,
That's great news! It's been my perception as well as that of quite a few others that they are musical yet detailed and smooth without being rolled off on the high end (at least to my ears). That means that they're also non-fatiguing but not boring either, so you can listen to them totally mesmerized for long periods of time.
When I first posted the above review in 2005, I was rather concerned that the claims made would be disbelieved. But one Audiogon member encouraged me by saying words to the effect that "You can only report what you hear." That person, is Tvad, whom I respect very much. Duane, the dealer who sold them to me, said essentially the same thing, i.e. something like "You can only report what you hear." So I submitted the review.
I will say that these speakers are not perfect, but they've blown away quite a few VERY persnickety people in a lot of situations. They are special, and it's gratifying to get feedback from satisfied end users like you. |
Champagne Audio is a dealer. Best strategy is to email Duane for more info. |
Mine aren't the GAMMA Summits, but with the ORIGINAL Summits, in MY room (see Synopsis above) they're filled something like 2/3 to 3/4 full, I'd guess. Make sure to use DRY sand (think dessicated silica, for example, here), unless you enjoy the scent of mildew..... |
Bill (aka Grannyring), Thank you for your kind words. You'll be able to make up your own mind this weekend. With respect to the review, it may (or may not...) be useful for you to look at the following update added above (in 2006) after over a year of listening: Now that over a year has passed... Dale's cables are also a great addition, but the above 2005 review was written prior to using ANY of his cables. A link to my review of his cables (which are now out of date; i.e., I believe he's come up with something even better since this was posted), is here: Mosaic Chimera Speaker Cables |
"Bill, can you please tell me where you purchased those granite slabs. I cannot seem to find where to purchase them." Grannyring 06-17-12 Grannyring (aka Bill), I'm pretty sure that THIS is where I got the plates. |
Wow, Bob! I thought you'd ditched them. I must say it's no surprise whatsoever that you're as pleased as you are with the outcome of having kept the Gammas. Your post highlights the fact that, although not hugely difficult to drive, the Summits DO LIKE POWER AND CURRENT.
Andrew: I stand by my recommendation/insistence that you purge your listening room of the Gammas due to stability issues. Yes, they're utterly phenomenal beyond all possible belief. No, it's not a "child-proof" design. Although your child probably wouldn't have been hurt by the monitor falling off its base, "probably" isn't good enough, at least in my opinion. In other words, it's a no-brainer, and, of course, I'm good at those....LOL. |
Glaucon,
I found your post the other day about the tweak with the Sheffield CD. Your ownership of Gamma Summits intrigued me, then I followed you back to this thread (I'm not stalking you, I SWEAR). This leads, rather circuitously, to a question:
Did you ever determine the optimal level of sand for your Path Stands? (i.e., Half versus 2/3 full) |
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Glaucon,
Thanks for the detailed response. (You--or any other Audiogon member--can certainly call me Bill, by the way.) It's enviable that you have an Essence amp AND preamp! So, here are some more bothersome questions:
1) Are you running a subwoofer/sub-bass unit with the Summits?
2) Any chance you'll post a virtual system {I'm too embarrassed by "Gladys" (the huge "entertainment" center) to post a virtual system, at least yet; plus this review can function as an approximate surrogate for such a posting....} any time soon?
3) Failing that, and not having researched your posts very well, what are you using for a front end?
Thanks in advance.
p.s. I agree that there's a "grain" of truth to the stated inconvenience of scooping out sand for A/B comparisons, and sure as hell wouldn't do it either.
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Cdc,
That's a loaded question. I listened to one of the above brands at the 2007 RMAF, quite briefly. They sounded quite good. The room was full of fascinated audiophiles. The sound staging was very precise and the detail was superb. However, they simply lacked the high end smoothness of the Summits (TO MY EARS ONLY AND OTHERS MAY VIOLENTLY DISAGREE AND THAT'S OK) and overall I strongly preferred the Summits. (The year being 2007 shows how UNINTERESTED I remain in replacing the Summits--maybe Denalis someday but probably not....)
The speakers that rivaled the Summits are the Kharma's that I heard at the 2007 RMAF. The ~30K Kharmas were probably as good, maybe better to some ears, perhaps slightly inferior to other ears. The ~80K Kharmas are almost certainly better than the Summits, but they were being driven by solid state MBL amplifiers that were ever so slightly lacking in smoothness, so that assessment is partly based on another audiophile's opinion (which tends to correspond to mine EXTREMELY well).
The Intuitive Design Denalis are unequivocally better than the Summits, and that's based on having listened for ~3 hours in someone's home on a wonderful afternoon in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
I haven't listened to the Ohms, Rockports or Raidhos.
(As an aside, another speaker that deserves to be mentioned among "special" bang-for-the-buck offerings is the Induction Dynamics 2 way monitor for ~3000 dollars, if it's even still being made. Probably better overall than the Totem Tabu at the same price point, and that's saying something (AGAIN THIS IS TO MY EARS ONLY). About the only other Audiogon member I've seen mention those is Csmgolf. In my opinion, anyone in the market for a spectacular bookshelf monitor in the 3K price range should at least give those a listen--if they're sill being made, of course.) |
Will have to agree with the statement that "Dale Pitcher Rocks" posted by Bob Heinatz on 10/19/14. I just finished another late evening music listening session (last disc, Crosby, Stills and Nash, so sweet) and am now heading off to a peaceful slumber. Criminy! These speakers are so, so, SO, freaking awesome! Yeah, it's sweet being (almost, anyway) "off the grid." Night, fellow 'philes. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
"Now back to the music." -bobheinatz
That pretty much says it all, Bob. :D
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Assuming you have ample power and current to drive them and assuming you have at least a decent (by audiophile standards) front end, then I predict you'll be flabbergasted by their magicality They do sound much better after about 1/2 hour of warm up. At least that's the case with the "regular" Summits.
I can't speak to the dimensions of your room and the effect on the sound. I have a vague and unsubstantiated gut feeling that it won't matter that much. In other words, I suspect that they'll totally blow away even your most ridiculously unrealistic expectations--but I could be very wrong about that (probably not, though :D)
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Be careful with them. They're heavy as hell and easily damaged during shipping.
Aerial Acoustics is a GREAT company, one of the best that I can think of. I've never heard the 10T's, so I can't comment or even speculate on how they might compare to the Summits. I learned long ago that the ONLY way (for me, anyway) to evaluate speakers is by listening to them for myself. The same thing applies to most audiophiles, I would think.
I do think the Summits are worthy of an audition, and I still stand by that claim. Are they worth driving 8 hours one way to listen to? To a serious audiophile on a quest for near perfection, I'd say.......YES.
Have fun and tell us either way it goes. |
nicksgem10s: I’ve had great luck with my Odyssey Stratos Extreme monoblocks, which have been upgraded.....some...how....by Klaus. I don’t know the full particulars with respect to my pair. I do know that they sound great with the Summits. Mine are not even the latest and greatest thing that he offers. (I got the Summit tweeter upgrade also and my tweeters and the associated capacitors are still not finished with the burning in/breaking in process.) |