whitestix
I put a SR Red fuse into my preamp yesterday and it blew immediately. I put the Radio Shack fuse back in the preamp and the preamp powers up fine. That was a $50 "butt dart".
They can't even get the amperage rating right. Others have blown also. Like I said before if they were the + or - rail fuses say goodby to your amp and or speakers. Get your money back asap, do not accept a higher rated fuse nyame
It is THE POWER SUPPLY that is reponsible for the improvements. The fuse allow the power supply to perform more effectively and this, not the fuse, is responsible for the improved performance.
You can't have it both ways. Where and who stated this? and post a link to it please. nyame
I replaced 10 fuses in my system and after replacing the final fuse noted a fall-off in performance. I reversed the physical direction of the fuse and and optimum performance was restored. I DID NOT CONCLUDE THAT THE FUSE ITSELF IS INHERENTLY DIRECTIONAL. The what are you trying to say, again you can't have it both ways. Cheers George |
Was it a mechanical connection problem ? This is more the case and should have been first in line for consideration. Even SR states their fuses are directional. Please point to the link that states this. Cheers George |
fleschler
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01-26-2017 5:44am
Highstream. I find that the SR black fuses increase the color and certainly the texture of instruments. The added detail and ambience give more life to the music, not just leading edge transients. Maybe in his system the SR fuses aren't working well. Really!!!!!!!! you guys need to go back to natural, the hydro is messing with you. 51 posts and over half on fuse voodoo. Cheers George |
We don't want or need your sarcastic, uneducated remarks.
The gullible audiophiles do, to protect them from things said about fuses by members who's half of their total posts are about voodoo improvements with these holy grail of fuses!!!! Quote: "I find that the SR black fuses increase the color and certainly the texture of instruments. The added detail and ambience give more life to the music, not just leading edge transients."
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highstreamFleschler, not here! George, if you think that those of us who claim that fuses can make a difference are just gullible, why are spending your time here? In any case, you've made your point, so please move on.
You need to read my post again, it's not you I'm calling gullible, but the non fuser's that are easily led down the garden path, by the voodoo fuser's that state things like. " I find that the SR black fuses increase the color and certainly the texture of instruments. The added detail and ambience give more life to the music, not just leading edge transients." Still no manufactures links that state improved sound from these fuses. Cheers George |
mac48025George,
I wish I knew how to post links, but I don’t. Mac, what I simply asked was for a link to an Audiophile fuse manufacturer that states that their fuse will improve the sound of your system, not hearsay. Cheers George |
Al's a bit of a fence sitter with things like this. But to me these fuses are up there with Shaun Mook Mpingo pucks, very unexplainable things going on, can really **** with your head.
Cheers George |
reveal how it works in the patent.
Really!!! God forbid that might happen. Whatever they have, any patent office would laugh it off, unless they could find a corrupt one somewhere in the world. Yes the patent office in Darkest Africa, 666 Voodoo Place, they've been known to take dirty money. Cheers George |
+1 Wolf and PTSS.
It's just a hand full of these shills that are conning the gullible to spend >$100 on a 50c mains fuse.
None of these shills have yet been able to post a link to the manufactures of these ($$) fuses, that states the "unbelievable voodoo improvements" that can be achieved that they say their getting. Let alone the directional ability they also say they have.
The gullible also have to ask themselves, why don't the top equipment manufactures use these $$ fuses if they're so good, and advertise they do for even better sound of their mega dollar audio equipment.
Then there's the technical proof, that can't be pointed to to say otherwise.
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grannyringGeorge, to answer your question; That answered nothing, as I asked for fuse manufacturers links, who state the claims made that their fuses will improve the sound of your audio. I’ve seen you post links before, why do you not do them now? Is it that your just posting hearsay and not the words of the fuse manufacturer themselves? Cheers George |
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http://www.audio-horizons.com/pages/fuse.html >$118 Not one word about it improving the sound, just a lot of voodoo on impedance at 10mHz, and leaving the sound of it up to the gullible buyer, by stating "
the proof is in the listening." http://www.synergisticresearch.com/new-category-synergistic-research-quantum-fuses-furutech-hifituni... >$50 This statement has grounds for legal action, as it's impossible, unless the fuse has a 1st 2nd 3rd or 4th order HF filter inside it. "Fuses significantly outperform all other high-end fuses on the market and are "guaranteed to deliver a noticeable increase in sound staging", resolution and air thanks to a lower noise floor and blacker backgrounds." http://www.synergisticresearch.com/synergistic-researchs-new-reference-red-fuse/ Also grounds for legal action, I'm not a lawer but I think the first two words (All told) are the get out of jail free card. "
All told SR RED fuses significantly outperform every other high-end fuse on the market and are the only fuses guaranteed to deliver a significant increase in system performance or your money back. When compared to our award winning SR20 Quantum Fuses, SR RED Fuses sound more refined with smoother highs and more linear frequency extension from the deepest bass to the highest highs; no small feat given the remarkable performance of our original SR20 Quantum Fuses.
." I've never come across such blatant B/S in all my years of audio, sorry yes I have, "Shun Mook Mpingo Discs" You guys should be ashamed of yourselves for preaching this rubbish, I hope your getting well compensated for it. Cheers George |
almarg
Personally, I would always much prefer to see a manufacturer say something along the lines of "frankly, we don’t know why it works but it does," than to provide misleading and specious technical explanations.
Best regards,
-- Al Yes that would be a more honest approach, and to get rid of face saving comments like " the proof is in the listening." Cheers George |
They say all these SR fuses sound even better if you freeze them overnight, trouble is you only get 15mins of even more blissful music before they thaw out.
To counter this, one should have a stash of them in the freezer that way you have it covered for a couple of hours.
Then use them for the second time in the opposite direction to counter them getting polarised.
Cheers George
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OK, try this one for an experiment only, definitely not for long term for safety sake. Make sure all is working fine and you grown used to how it sounds. Then remove the "red fuse" and bridge out he the fuse holder with some copper wire, you can even tack solder it on the outside of the fuse holder. It should sound the best, if anything at all.
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mapman
I have no doubt that no fuse is likely the best fuse for performance but I’ll pass on that. It is what it is. If I need better sound I’ll figure out some other way to get it beside eliminating the fuse that the designers deemed wise to put in there..
Ididn’t say to "eliminate". Isaid to try as an experiment, just like your doing now with these fuses. Cheers George
geoffkait the old copper wire bypass trick probably actually isn’t up to snuff anymore. Not to mention the unpleasant sound resulting from soldering the copper wire.
geoff at MD
Your kidding right??? What do you think the yards of traces under your circuit boards are made of??? Copper!!! Cheers George |
After all that was YOUR claim - that a straight wire bypass would outperform an aftermarket fuse.
Technically YES, if one is a technician and a betting man you would put your money on the "temporary" 10mm piece of copper wire everytime, unless one is a voodoo’ist then your a believer that pigs can fly. That’s why this sort of thing is not getting any reco in the "Tech Talk" forum and should not be given it as well. Unless these fuses are resistive, capacitive, or inductive in nature, then there are grounds for a technical discussion on them, and if they are any of these then they can only be detrimental to performance in the power supply chain.
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georgelofi, dear sir, you are sadly confused by only a portion of the facts IMHO.
Facts "IHMO" ?????? please post all these "facts" up by all means, back by some sort of SOUND technical explanations to their advantage to sound quality improvement. Myself, and I’m sure many others here are all ears to hear the "facts" and their technical explanations.
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karmapolice94 posts03-21-2016 11:36amI decided to switch the direction on the black fuse on the dartzeel amp after all because lack of bass weight was bothering me.
The improvement was immediate with the bass weight slam back and the soundstage easily improved from the red fuse.
it goes to show that experimentation is always necessary and trust your ears ......
Direction change on an AC fuse for different sound??? http://audiofast.com/prods/recenzje/6moons/6moons200507_NHB-108/max_21.jpg
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Well said Whitestix
There's way too much voodoo in this industry that not substantiated with any technical explanation offered.
EG: Shun Mook Mpingo room treatment devices. http://www.stereophile.com/features/69/#eE3kszwsp5RadvU3.97 After all every piece of equipment that everyone owns, is made using the laws of electronics and test gear to develop it. Anyone who has something that's not made using these has voodoo gear.
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Al, you are such a fence sitter/pacifier, "you need to come out". We non voodooists, all know this fuse stuff is at best, bunch of psychological BS, especially with statements like. "What? you don’t think this is a viable solution to getting the last bit of the corners of the sound stage:"
Cheers George
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BTW, I’m sure OP’s statement that you quoted was said with tongue firmly planted in cheek. :-)
Best regards,
-- Al I don’t know Al, he’s applauded things that left me shaking my head in wonder and fear for the gullible. PS: maybe I should try sitting on your fence, this s**t is starting give me an ulcer. Cheers George |
This sort of thing about how a fuse sounds needs to be put in the bin. Cheers George
Its quite remarkable. A tightening of the focus, a more solid image, and most important of all for my tastes, a deeper appreciation for the organic sound of the instruments. Damn! ... cellos sound great! Much improved attack on pianos. More humanistic on vocals. Bowed bass goes down forever .
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A tightening of the focus, a more solid image, a deeper appreciation for the organic sound of the instruments. Damn! ... cellos sound great! Much improved attack on pianos. More humanistic on vocals. Bowed bass goes down forever.
All from a fuse change, you need to do a GK and change your avatar. http://www.womenofgrace.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/voodoo-doll.jpg Cheers George |
"Troll"
The use of the word
"Troll" 4 x in one post, must be a record, and it's directed at the more tech savvy members on the forums who only try to keep things honest and technically informative.
Where it should be rather directed at the "snake oil voodoo'ist" of the forums who prey on the gullible that aren't technically minded.
Just like the way some power cords can sound?
I have never been so impacted by these power cords. Soundstage opened wider and deeper. The background became dead silent, space between instruments and stage members were more focused and everything sounded cleaner and musical than ever. My highs had a glorious crispness and symbols shimmered. Midrange through my 2" horn became more dynamic and punchy. My 15" bass driver tightened and dug low with great control.
Cheers George |
I believe he was referring to the very few who keep beating the drum of skepticism in a negative way.
They are the ones that are technical ones, and not voodoo drum beaters. Please name and show any posts of any of the known technical member’s here on these forums, that back the things being said about what these $$$ fuses are doing amazing things for the sound, similar to what the voodoo’ist are saying, and the directional application of them. Cheers George |
Is it so hard??
All I ask is that you voodoo’ist name the members here who are highly technical, that back your findings of these $$$ mains fuses.
1: Being directional
2:That can magically escalate the sound quality of ones system.
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George, you really don't get the whole Appeal to Authority thing, do you?
I just don't get shysters, preaching this sort of voodoo, like I said please. That you name the members here who are highly technical, that back your findings of these $$$ mains fuses. 1: Being directional 2:That can magically escalate the sound quality of ones system. Cheers George
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Sorry but there is no conversation on this topic, as your not prepared to.
That you name the members here who are highly technical, that back your findings of these $$$ mains fuses.
1: Being directional
2:That can magically escalate the sound quality of ones system.
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This thread has disintegrated to where it deserves to be, and is a total waste of the forums server hard drive space. Cheers George |
Just to who the voodoo'ist are, for a reference not to believe anything they say in future posts on any topic.
Cheers George |
moving up 1 step for ampere rating is an acceptable practice. Moving up in amperage with mains fuses, is unsafe. Doing this is a very unsafe practice. It will very likely burn out more than just the fuse. EG: regulators, rectifiers, or maybe even the transformer. + whatever caused the fuse to blow in the first place. The worst is it could start a fire, and take out your house. they add nothing to the discussion That’s because it’s snake oil and as the above states playing with mains components like this is a very unsafe practice, and very dangerous. Cheers George |
In any event, given the lack of meaningful technical data on the SR fuses I don’t think anyone can provide an answer to this question with any kind of certainty Given this when playing around with mains voltages, I’m saying it’s better to be safe than sorry. I understand that you have "no qualms" personally yourself doing it as your capable of monitoring it. But surely your not giving the go ahead to other to do it as well, as it is mains safety issue were talking about. Cheers George |
See the mods have seen fit to delete the voodooists posts that were sticking it to Wolfy, for preaching the safety aspect that’s been grossly overlooked by the fusers, or maybe they are also starting to see the truth/fact behind this snake oil.
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But surely your not giving the go ahead to other to do it as well, as it is mains safety issue were talking about. Al, your your silence is deafening, are you getting splinters? Cheers George |
You need to answer this question Al, for safety sake, as many here hang on your words.
Are you or are you not advocating that anyone else replace a manufacturers given fuse value with something higher, especially if they have no technical background, so they can monitor any problems like you can
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So my basic intention is to provide food for thought, rather than advocacy
So your not advocating, increasing the fuse amperage from the manufacturers specified value/s. This is good Al, for the sake of safety. As most here don't know if they're changing an ac mains fuse, dc rail fuse or speaker protection fuse. Maybe we've saved a future life, or at least a piece of equipment. Cheers George |
Bait for the sake of safety? I hardly think so. As I said.
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As most here don't know if they're changing an ac mains fuse, dc rail fuse or speaker protection fuse. Maybe we've saved a future life, or at least a piece of equipment."
No one, unless they know what their doing with proper monitoring equipment, should up the amperage rating on a fuse.
Cheers George
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andynotadam64 posts Only 64 posts and 53 of them on SR fuses. And they all started just after the SR fuse thread started. Good work contributing to audio in general on all these forums. Blind Freddy can see what’s going on here. And good on you
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+1 Wolf,
And with other technically adept audio techs, who couldn’t even be bothered with even reading this thread, with the voodoo snake oil that’s presented here. That’s why it was never presented in the "Tech Talk" forum, as it would get shot down in flames.
I ask the question of any techs reading these fusers claims, to endorse what’s preached here to what these fuses will do for the sound quality, and to also endorse increasing the amperage rating of the fuse beyond the manufacturers specified rating, and to verify that changing direction of the fuse makes a difference.
Let’s just see how many will lay their cred on the line and answer.
Cheers George
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People who play stupid games get stupid prizes.
And playing the fuse game, get the the biggest stupid prize, because not one Audio Tech with any cred will play that snake oil game, unless they have no cred and are in it for monitory gain. Cheers George |
The mods need to take a look at this.
Isn’t it funny that whenever legitimacy or safety issues are bought up about fuses, they get swamped by non off topic posts about the latest cd/music, fm radio, books etc etc to hide those issues from the gullible who just might purchase a fuse.
Take those post to the correct forum/s "MUSIC" ect and let the gullible fuse purchasers seen the "legitimacy or safety issues" to make up their own minds.
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"I paid $120 for it so it must do something, and by god I should hear it or I made an expensive mistake." +1 It’s called "expectation bias" Credit to Ralph (Atmasphere), for a great saying. and to note that fuses have meaningful "direction" because they’re marked as such is sort of why this thread is so entertaining. +1 on this too, I would have used a stronger word than "entertaining" though, "ludicrous" comes to mind. Cheers George |
+1 ptss, and I’d say every tech on this planet would say so too. And they are the ones that design the equipment we all listen to. And here we have a few voodooists that have next to no tech skills at all saying they’re wrong. It’s really sad to think that they have some influence over the gullible to hand over a hundred + dollars for a 10 cent mains fuse, and to also have the hide to say it's directional as well, with no proof from the manufacturer stating so. Cheers George |
wolf_garcia
A1++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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What WAS said was the SYSTEM sounds out of phase with the fuse installed in the improper direction. Now I’ve heard everything, total snake oil voodoo. These guys must be turning in their graves, at the stuff being spoken here. Laws of electronics were discovered by Georg Ohm, Charles Augustin de Coulomb and Gustav Kirchhoff and are known as Ohms law, Coulomb’s Law and Kirchhoff’s laws. Cheers George |
No laws of electronics or physics have been broken Hel-loo! They’re all broken with all the voodoo speak that’s going on here, especially with your regards to them being directional in AC mains. Cheers George |
uberwaltz105 posts03-08-2017 2:03pmI only have one question...
When did Georgelofi become Georgehifi? hifi was my original registered name back in 2006 but for some reason got bugged so I had to change to lofi, thanks to Tammy at Audiogon saw the stupid comments I was receiving with that name so they saw fit to resurrect my registered old one for me as that’s what it is on every other audio forum I’m on also. No sinister things going on, as I’m sure some are thinking. Cheers George HIFI |
Cheers George
No sinister thoughts at all Not you Uber, but there are others that have. Cheers George |
