Trivia time.
You can tune a piano but you can’t tuna fish was actually the title of an album by Reo Speedwagon. No idea if they were first to use that phrase but there you go.
Now I will be leaving this thread as MG is quite right, I have no place here as I will never be walking HIS walk by HIS terms.
Just an example.
I returned home late last night from my daughter’s graduation and after having had to deal with real live people all night(yuk!), I plonked myself down in my fave sofa, turned on my music maker and just drifted away to heavenly sounds and relaxed.
Now if tuning involves moving blocks around under components, opening up covers and snipping cable ties around caps etc to optimise each recording then I am never climbing on that bus and freely admit it.
Anything of that nature would have taken all the instant gratification and relaxation out of last night.
Please note I am not saying that MG tuning is not real or has its place and gets results, it is just not for me. But good luck to all who walk that path in all sincerity.
I will stick to just being a tweaker.
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"You can tune a piano but you can’t tuna fish" said by some rock band whose name escapes me at this moment (NRBQ?). LOL!
>>>>Was it Hot Tuna? Country Joe and the Fish?
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Hi Roberjerman, hey I’ve got even a better one. Now get a load of this one. Delusional: a couple hundred thousand guys buying $500.00 amplifiers in $10,000.00-$50,000.00 chassis. Now that’s a good one. LOL oh oh I have another one. This is a hoot so hang on. I heard this one the other day. Guys buying $10,000.00-$250,000.00 speakers and (get a load of this, this will kill ya) and putting them in a living room, against the wall with (I’m not joking, I swear to God I'm serious lol) with a huge equipment rack in between them. Oh man there’s a million of em. you said it oh man delusional is right But I got 1 more, you’ll like this. It’s one thing that these guys were fooled into buying these $500.00 amps for 25 grand lets say, but when they get these amps home, they look at the front cover and there is only a volume control. $25,000.00 and only a volume control? Shoot I’m no fool, if it’s me I’m taking it back and getting the rest of my amp. lol Oh geeze now that’s some funny stuff. mg |
Your right amg, you should say goodbye if you think anyone here is not happy to see someone else enjoying their music. You and a few others that came looking for that fight by all means should leave, and you've been told that more than once. Why be on a thread your unhappy with and don't understand amg? You guys seriously have been trying to make something out of nothing from the very beginning and you get POed that no one wants to argue with you. If that makes me arrogant and conceited ..... well ok ..... I guess there's worse things to be. But shhhhh don't tell the Tunees cause they think I'm a fun guy, and nice. I'll tell you a little secret between you and me. These guys who have chimed in on this thread that tune, well they love tuning their systems. I know that's a horrible thing, but they just can't get enough of it. I mean think of their nerve. If they hear something they want to change with their sound, ok I gotta whisper this...they change it. Can you believe that...that's just nonsense. Imagine having a stereo system that you can tune....well it's...it's....un-hobby-ish of them. Michael Green www.michaelgreenaudio.net |
"You can tune a piano but you can't tuna fish" said by some rock band whose name escapes me at this moment (NRBQ?). LOL! |
The capacity of humans for self-delusion is unlimited! - Mr. Spock |
Michael, Your last post shows how arrogant and conceited you are. To assume that it's 'Michael's way or no way' shows your contempt for the other very knowledgeable Audiophile or enthusiast people in this world. That is what was exhibited in your very first post as OP and that is why people other than my self questioned you. You have a very poor attitude towards those who just enjoy music for what it is, Your glib posts screak of sarcasm and know it all behaviour. I for one will not be engaging you or your like any more. I would suggest you take a lesson in tuning up your smarmy attitude. Goodbye Michael. |
glupson Can I be straight up with you. No one I know, including myself in this, has ever said they can’t hear the difference between the sounds of capacitors. If someone claims to be a HEA audiophile and makes these types of claims, there’s no point for someone like me to talk to them. Do you honestly think I should be spending my time talking to them? Keep in mind I may have a project sitting in front of me where I have 10 caps ready for me to listen to and give my reports on. Is that me being rude or choosing to be practical? Now when that person takes the time to learn the differences we actually then can have something meaningful to talk about. But if they believe there are no sonic differences it’s unproductive for them to be talking to me or I them. I should be spending my time discussing the differences with the guy who is on the same page as me. Like with this tuning thing. I’m honestly not interested in talking to the guy who isn’t sure it works, when I have thousands of guys to talk to who are actually tuning. If you tell me glupson that you aren’t sure if tuning works, what’s wrong with me saying "come back to me when you know it does and we can tune together"? It makes zero sense for me to try to sell tuning when I am engaging with people who already tune. I can share tuning with someone, and so can other Tunees, but if someone doesn’t believe or hasn’t tried it’s a mute point. I’m not going to beg someone to make an adjustment when I can have fun with those making adjustments. Why would someone who doesn’t "do" even post on a thread talking about doing? I’m never going to convince you or amg or prof or whoever. The only one who convinces you is you. What we have on this thread is people who do are doing and people who aren’t, aren’t. You can pretty much point to them after reading a couple of their posts. You can also read on here when someone is getting really upset. I can’t control someone else’s temper. That’s all on that individual. What I can do however is ignore them, because they’re really just looking for an argument. People who make arguments are usually people who defend their own lack of doing a topic. You see there is no arguments when one takes the time to "do". Someone says "oh I’ve done that and didn’t hear a difference", well why talk to me about it then? I’d rather just move on from that type of person. Why talk to someone about hearing if they can’t hear it? You know glupson, Geoff is so right. It’s one of those hobbies that is always going to go further if we have the will to do so. Someone who comes up on a thread like this and says "I’m done" probably shouldn’t even be on this thread. No one ever arrives in this hobby as long as there is one more recording to listen to, or the chance to hear more of that recording. The term walking is an action. glupson, let me ask you to do something. Find Grannyring's posts about the OP and read it again, giving it some thought. Grannyring's view of the OP is correct. Michael Green www.michaelgreenaudio.net |
That would be a long shot for seaweed. Garmisch is some distance and many mountains from the nearest sea. Maybe some Alps capacitor allowed to roam free pastures. Green of course, pastures not capacitors. The stage becomes quite wide and peaks more pronounced. Mountain peaks, that is. |
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Restore 'balance' with seaweed tweaks??? |
They are 'tuning' the atmosphere with methane. : ) |
Are those cows really audiophile? They have no room to tune. |
Some of the people might have just been quicker on their way to success so they are content.
geoffkait, lots of this thread is populated by people who refuse to go with the program. The program of accepting that they should do something that seems unbelievable to them or otherwise be called cows, clowns, and whatever else. That is what the whole ruckus has mostly been about. They ask questions and want to learn. First part of the thread has been full of posts demanding those.
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Katie....you have some SERIOUS issues you need to work out.....
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See guys, even audiophile cows walk the walk!
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"I'm enjoying listening to my tunable system from Michael. That's the short and sweet of it, and a reminder to those who are getting so angry that they don't need to be." Cómo estás haciendo mi amigo ? Estoy deseando verte este otoño. Me alegro de que disfrutes de la Rev6. tener un buen fin de semana Michael |
It only takes one person to make a "ruckus" meanwhile the rest of the world could care less. |
The ones selling equipment? That’s pretty cynical and silly. Not even close. It’s the audiophiles who are striving for better sound, who will take great pains to do so. It’s not the ones sitting on their Barco Loungers with a contented expression on their faces. 🙄 Lets salute the ones who will not accept the status quo, who will not go along with the program, the ones who are forced to study and understand what all these tweaks and advanced concepts are all about. Why is there so much ruckus about fuses, about contact enhancers, about lots of things? Is this the flat line club? There is a revolution going on. Hel-loo! Wake up and smell the coffee! ☕️ I’ve seen a lot of knuckleheads in this line of work but you guys might take the cake. 🎂 I’m absolutely amazed folks can be so cavalier, so blasé. So content. 🐄 if you aren’t going crazy over audio these days you must not understand the situation. Maybe schedule a trip to your doctor, have him check for a Pulse.
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Well for those who depend on selling equipment to make a living then maybe.
Still for the end user, its just all about the end result, the music.
IMHO of course
Obviously a lot feel differently and that is how it should be.
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uberwaltz, "Just at the end of the day it is a journey to listening of music and enjoyment of same.
Nothing more" It is a little bit more, if you are selling equipment of any kind. |
I try not to cow tow to you guys too much but I must say I had a feeling someone would chime and state the udderly obvious. I guess we milked that one for all it’s worth. Time to moo on, moopman. hic! 🐄
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Contented cows give the best milk. Old Amish proverb....... |
Nothing more?! Wow, wow, wow!! All I can say is 😮
As I said, contented cows. 🐄 🐄 🐄
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Never said I do not partake in my fair share of tweaking and seeking of "a higher ground" lol.
Just at the end of the day it is a journey to listening of music and enjoyment of same.
Nothing more
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It is messed up. Why should hifi enthusiasts be immune to that? 💡 |
uberwaltz,
To some, tweaking/tuning is the hobby, not a distraction on the way to bliss. Many seem to think of it as a waste of time and energy, but some like it so there should be nothing wrong with them having their LEGOs. If one wants to hang chicken bones, the other putting dominoes under amplifiers, third one demagnetizing plastic, fourth one disassembling an expensive piece of equipment to move the musicians in the room, so what.
Silly thing is that those who are not that interested in doing such things are annoyed by those who do while those who do such things seem to think they are something much better than those who cannot care less about chicken bones, etc. That is messed up.
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MG. tuning is basically a distinct continuous and very active approach to hifi. If that's what makes one happy more power to ya. That’s how hobbies work. |
BTW, I felt no need at all to re-tune my system per song or album. It sounds quite wonderful and satisfying to me on almost everything I listen to.
I guess we who are extremely happy with our systems have moved "beyond tuning" to a state of satisfaction that tuners haven’t arrived at. (Because they feel the need to keep changing the sound of their system to make different recordings sound the way they want).
Perhaps Tuners will get there someday. Completely agree Prof! Sometimes I feel we all lose sight of the endgame at times, I know I am as guilty of that as anybody. Not saying we should all be content or complacent but maybe the obsessive desires to endlessly tweak can detract from the very reason of our hobby. And that to me is just listening to and enjoying the music! Cheers! |
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Audiophiles should never be content or complacent. Only cows should be content. 🐄 besides how can you be walking when you’re sitting there in the comfort of your Barco Lounger?
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Drewster88 Hallelujah and Amen to that brother! Bring on the tunes. Let us have church in this house. and Prof, just saw your post Couldn't be happier for you. Have a great day with your son and music! |
^^^^ Yet another in a long string of "why you mad, bruh?" posts, that simply ascribe a negative emotion or motivation to someone, while claiming "why not be cheery like me?" rather than address the issues under debate. (There is a frankly eerie consistency in the method of passive-aggressive discourse among MG and his followers).
I just went for a wonderful walk in our neighbourhood with my son, and returned to listen happily to some Curtis Mayfield on vinyl.
Well then, I guess these cheery facts mean I don’t have to address the content of anyone’s argument - including anyone raising skeptical questions about my claims.
That’s convenient!
BTW, I felt no need at all to re-tune my system per song or album. It sounds quite wonderful and satisfying to me on almost everything I listen to.
I guess we who are extremely happy with our systems have moved "beyond tuning" to a state of satisfaction that tuners haven’t arrived at. (Because they feel the need to keep changing the sound of their system to make different recordings sound the way they want).
Perhaps Tuners will get there someday.
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I'm enjoying listening to my tunable system from Michael. That's the short and sweet of it, and a reminder to those who are getting so angry that they don't need to be.
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I’m not a chance taker. I got my hip waders and raincoat ready.
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"Whoa! What? Huh?" Better get out at least a rain coat, wouldn’t you say Geoff? A storm over a guy who worked for me for 9 months back in the 90’s? Mods, I hate to bug you but you might want to keep an eye on this one. If some can’t keep it civil please delete them. Anger has no place on these threads and forums. Thanks for your diligence in keeping these threads friendly. Michael Green www.michaelgreenaudio.net |
theaudiotweak
A storm is spinning up from years past. I can hardly wait..another day or week probably not .Tom
>>>>Whoa! What? Huh?
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prof
geoffkait:
My degree is Aerospace Engineering with mathematics a specialty. I had the most credits ever accumulated for an undergraduate at Virginia. Ever. Now, if he studied dynamic programming as I have then maybe I will say that is real engineering.
geoffkait:
Appeal to Authority alert!
;-)
>>>>Now you’re getting the hang of it. 😁
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glupson
geoffkait,
It is entirely irrelevant to this thread and I am guilty of mentioning it, but "SO much better than before" did not equal "good enough" yesterday around 1:30 pm. So, I guess you could say it is not as simple as adjusting traffic lights and building new roads after all.
Having a formal degree at something may give a headstart to a person at discussing that particular topic, but does not inevitably exclude the other person from being more correct about that same topic regardless of education.
>>>>You get what you pay for. 😁
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jf47t, "Michael is also an excellent marketer!" It is hard to believe that anyone reading this thread has not concluded the same already. In fact, he seems to be the best "talker" here. Some may not like what he says, or does not say, but talker he is for sure. It does take guts to market the things he does with such a conviction. That "walking" part is still open for discussion. |
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geoffkait: My degree is Aerospace Engineering with mathematics a specialty. I had the most credits ever accumulated for an undergraduate at Virginia. Ever. Now, if he studied dynamic programming as I have then maybe I will say that is real engineering. geoffkait: Appeal to Authority alert! ;-) |
geoffkait,
It is entirely irrelevant to this thread and I am guilty of mentioning it, but "SO much better than before" did not equal "good enough" yesterday around 1:30 pm. So, I guess you could say it is not as simple as adjusting traffic lights and building new roads after all.
Having a formal degree at something may give a headstart to a person at discussing that particular topic, but does not inevitably exclude the other person from being more correct about that same topic regardless of education.
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A storm is spinning up from years past. I can hardly wait..another day or week probably not .Tom |
Robert and Prof Michael does walk on water fairly well :) He’s also a very happy camper which it doesn’t appear you two are doing so well with that. Michael is also an excellent marketer! It comes natural to him. When you love what you do and your as good at it as he is some people are going to love it and some are going to be in a rage about it. I doubt rage makes a dent on Michael with the exception that he doesn’t hang out with hostile personalities. Let me also add this, it's a thread guys. Some of you treat this forum like the last word spoken with anger wins. But when you write on a public site, it's there for all to see. Front to back side to side. |
glupson
It is not as simple as just adjusting traffic lights and building new roads. For example, The Beltway in the Washington DC metro area. No traffic lights to adjust. Road made wider in some places, and still thousands curse it every day. And the narrow part has been narrow for years (at around 270) and the reason is not some lowly traffic engineer. It is not that simple to build a new road. A lot goes into that, too.
>>>>Actually the reasons the Beltway is SO much better than before are because they widened the existing highway, built new highways, built new cloverleafs and offered “pay as you go” high speed open lanes during peaks hours. So, I guess you could say it is as simple as adjusting traffic lights and building new roads after all. 😬 Besides what people curse is Rt 66, not the Beltway.
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Whoa, took a peek in here. I’m not back to engage in any extended debate (there isn’t any to be had), but... ...I see audiopoint isn’t falling for the passive-aggressive marketing act going on in this thread. ;-) Perfectly exemplified by these kind of words from our Guru: MG wrote: I’m pretty happy reading through this thread as the OP is playing itself out perfectly. Yep, that’s exactly the sentiment someone trolling with this thread would express. 1. Drops in with a contentious thread calling out some people as faking it. 2. It’s pointed out that calling people fakes isn’t a promising way to start to a civil discourse, and what do you mean exactly so we can discuss this? 3. Immediately implies the respondent represents the fakers. 4. Continues to drop passive-aggressive baiting replies, suggesting people asking critical questions is a troll, while never addressing the content of posts asking for clarification and posing questions. 5. Watches as thread ignites and becomes contentious. Helps along with more baiting replies negatively commenting on some people’s personalities without addressing the content of their posts. 6. Re-appears to declare himself satisfied and happy with the result - things went "perfectly." If that isn’t the sentiment of a troll, happy with the scent of a thread on fire, it’s hard to say what else is. And naturally one of his fawning followers posts support: jf47t wrote:
Michael Green Your a genius! You knew exactly how this thread would develop. You know this hobby’s personality better than any of us. Only you could have made this OP I am convinced.
Actually lauding MG for his brilliance in trolling audiogon! (Which it appears from his disciples that MG does in his spare time, when not walking on water..) Excellent work helping MG troll the forum, fj47t! You were clearly made for each other. But if you pay a bit more attention to some of the replies here, it may be time to re-think your marketing strategy. |
I'm surprised you had difficulty tuning.
jf47t - Never alter my statements for your own protocol or intentions as I find that crap quite offensive. If you properly read my statement, the difficulty was finding time as in hours and minutes in a day to adjust harmonics and not difficulty in “tuning” or turning a couple bolts. I worked concert reinforcement mixing music and sound earning a good living while your most recent favorite person in the world was still in high school so I know how to turn a knob and make changes in musical content. You and your boss should better review the on-going glamour posts coming out of Las Vegas as they appear to be eerily similar in nature. Like two people are combining efforts and writing styles. It is also blatantly obvious to anyone reading the past four pages of this thread there is a two man team marketing effort being presented here.
Example: Michael Green Your a genius! You knew exactly how this thread would develop. You know this hobby's personality better than any of us. Only you could have made this OP I am convinced.
See what I mean… the OP consistently makes grammatical mistakes like the one above where you jf47t tend to be more correct in the use of proper English. “You're” is the proper spelling so how can we be sure you actually originated this statement and simply did not cut and paste it up from another source? I am hoping your boss gave you a raise in pay for posting that one. Next up, you might consider taking out a paid advertisement compared to working a forum hoping to attract a couple more clients via this poorly conceived ad campaign which should have been titled ‘talking is talk’. OK, I'll bite: Please fill everyone in… what’s special about ‘your’ genius that separates him from the rest of us or are you simply attempting to establish more needless bickering between the very few participants left posting here? In closing: Did you hear the one about the tuning revolution and how it is going to explode and take over the Audio Industry on a global scale? That’s been out there for a long-long time so we are all watching and hoping you can become the latest catalyst to successfully launch it.
As always - Good Listening! Robert
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glupson
This thread leans away from any semi-tangible topic and becomes a playground for challenging opponent’s personality. Somehow, it started being about formal education credentials. How? Why? What does it have to do with anything? It would be better to stick to the matter discussed than to look for the ways to discredit the opponent as a person. Once one’s argument, about why someone else’s argument is weaker than his own, becomes formal education level and not what was said about the topic itself, that one’s argument may seem as being weak and needing help for the way out of defeat.
>>>>This particular argument is simply a discussion about what an engineer is. And to a certain extent whether traffic engineering courses really involve fluid dynamics and rocket science, which most likely they actually don’t. We’re trying to establish who’s fluffing and who’s bluffing. I actually took a course in the Civil Engineering wing at school, Indeterminant Structures. If amg46 took THAT course I will give him credit.
More specifically and germane to the topic at hand I actually apply engineering principles to my hobby, from fluid dynamics to quantum physics to classical physics/mechanics to optics to long distance communications. I employ empirical testing and the scientific method. I have around twenty (count em) new products since 2012. Five of them involve quantum physics/mechanics. As Fats Domino used to sing, I’m walkin’, yes indeed and I’m talkin’....
Besides, we’ve already agreed air is not flowing in the room so linking traffic engineering to fluid dynamics and cars to air molecules is not only tenuous but also irrelevant.
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Gloopson, again a simple case of reading comprehension. I said road widening or traffic lights. It’s not rocket science. 🚀 |
Michael Green Your a genius! You knew exactly how this thread would develop. You know this hobby's personality better than any of us. Only you could have made this OP I am convinced. |
