12-27-06: Drubin
It's nice to see a modder here with more confidence than Alex. Let the games begin!
Both have last names containing 7 letters. First to pee his name in the snow wins!
:)
Showing 28 responses by tvad
Why did you offer to sell me the APL 3910 for $4500 on the spot? 711Smilin has a documented history of selling his gear at very reasonable prices. Speakers, amps, preamps, tubes, digital sources. His prices are almost always below what others are asking. God bless him. :) He had the player listed for sale on Audiogon at $4750 OBO, so it's reasonable to assume he would accept $4500. He was simply offering it to you, a friend, at a good price. Why does there have to be mystery involved? |
02-23-07: Mtkhl567All that's required is some more homework, Henry. You'll discover that an APL Denon 3910 has very little to do with a stock Denon after being re-engineered with completely new APL electronics. Think NASCAR. The high performance Chevys, Fords and Toyotas on the track have nothing whatsoever in common with cars off the assembly line. So too the APL Denon 3910, and the APL NWO 2.0 based on an Esoteric player. An opportunity to hear one will take care of the rest. APL HiFi products are made in California, but they are not marketed on a large scale. Primarily word of mouth. |
03-11-07: GrpkmpI'm fairly convinced the best "CD" player under a thousand bucks is actually a transport/DAC combo along the lines of a used Sony DVP7700ES and a used DAC of your choice (Paradisea, Monarchy, Benchmark...take your pick of half a dozen good candidates). |
stay clear of the denon 3910--lazor goes According to this supplier, the laser assembly for a Denon 3910 is $140.29. |
When ones paradigm is tuned to suit a refined preference such as yours, there is little chance of any outside element shifting the paradigm. Your invitation to Gryphonaudio, or any other representative of an element outside your present paradigm, is almost certainly doomed to fail your challenge. Its like inviting a salesman who represents the color blue to sell a palette of blue to a potential customer who lives in a red house, dresses in shades of red, and drinks cherry red soda. Unlikely, yes? |
My point was that it is highly, if not completely, unlikely you would change your mind, and your most recent post reaffirms my opinion in this regard. It would be of no benefit to Gryphonaudio to accept your invitation, and certainly anyone reading this exchange would agree. There are many satisfied owners of upsampling, oversampling and non-oversampling CD players, and I would not presume to tell anyone which approach is best, because frankly I don't believe there is a best...only what appeals to each individual. |
You assume to much saying anyone reading this exchange would not gain from comparing their players to mine here.I never stated this. My statement was specific to your challenge to Gryphonaudio. You are just saying no one can change my mind, so why bother. That is not the challenge.This was the challenge: Gryphonaudio... I will swear on a stack of holy books my no filter DAC will out shine the Mikado in every category on my system. Seems pretty straightforward and specific. How could a representative of a manufacturer of an upsampling CD player have any hope of a positive outcome when challenged in such a manner, with the challenger willing to swear on a stack of holy books? Pretty much the definition of intractable. I want to know who is going to be the first visitor whose opinion does not change.There are two truths when an opinion is expressed. There is the truth when the host is in the room, and there is the truth when the host is not in the room. |
Terrific how this thread has developed 8 years after the original question was asked. Here's the answer to the question: There is no answer. The closest approximation to the answer is whichever player makes you happy, gets you off the merry-go-round, and allows you to focus on the music rather than the equipment, regardless of the method the player uses to get the music off the silver disc. |
Tvad, I think it was mentioned before, but IMHO the Oppo 980H for $169 is the undisputed BEST CD PLAYER FOR THE MONEY. So this is a value for money question. Not an audiophile CDP by any means but probably the answer to this threads question... don't you think? I think the answer depends on the perspective of the one asking the question. What is the budget? What is the goal? What is the definition of value? For each person, the answer will be different. For you, the answer is the Oppo. |
the Oppo certainly wouldn't score 1.7% of enjoyment, maybe somewhere around 60-70%.Thus is your subjective opinion. I can easily conceive of other audiophiles who, if for this illustration we agree on the premise that a $10,000 CD player provides 100% musical enjoyment, would say the Oppo provides far less than 60-70% of the $10k player's performance. On the other hand, there would be some who believe the Oppo provides more than 60-70% of the performance. So, the value judgment slides along a scale based one's personal paradigm. Again, the idea of value is purely subjective and the OP's question simply cannot be answered universally, although it can be discussed much like a topic over beers at a bar. |