The Carver Amp Challenge and the 21st Century and it's Failure


Some of you may be old enough to remember this article from Stereophile. Bob Carver claimed he could make an amplifier audibly indistinguishable from some of the best from Conrad Johnson. A high efficiency (not class D), solid state linear amp vs. a linear tube amplifier.


https://www.stereophile.com/content/carver-challenge


Carver's approach was to feed a speaker via both amps at the same time using opposite terminals. The speaker itself was the measure of accuracy. Any difference in output between the two amplifiers would cause audible output.


What's super important here is Carver invented a new way to measure the relative difference of amplifiers with a real load.


That's kind of revolutionary from the standpoint of commonly published measurements of amplifiers before. Steady state, frequency sweeps, THD, IM and S/N all failed (to my ears) to express human experience and preference. I remember a reviewer for Audio, I think Julian Hiirsch, who claimed that these primitive measures were enough to tell you what an amplifier sounds like. The man had no ear at all, in my mind.  More here:


https://www.soundandvision.com/content/reconsidering-julian-hirsch

And here was Carver in 1985 cleverly showing that two amplifiers which measured reasonably well, sounded differently. We should also be in awe of Carver's ability to shape the transfer function on the fly. That's pretty remarkable too but not the scope of this post.


My point is, really, Carver showed us a revolutionary way to examine differences between gear in 1985 and yet ... it did  not become widespread.  << insert endless screaming here >>


As far as I know (and that is very little) no manufacturer of any bit of kit or cable took this technique up. We are still stuck in 1985 for specifications, measurements and lack of understanding of what measures cause what effects and end up cycling through cables and amps based on a great deal of uncertainty.


My points, in summary:

  • Most of what we consider state-of-the-art measurements are stuck in the 1970s.
  • There are a number of ways to improve upon them
  • No one has.
  • We should be a little more humble when asserting if it can't be measured it isn't audible because our measurements are not nearly comprehensive
  • I look forward to manufacturers or hobbyists taking modern equipment to pursue new measurement and new insights into our hobby.


Best,
E


erik_squires

Showing 2 responses by elizabeth

What good would it do to recreate this test? It only compares two amplifiers with tweaking. I do not see any way it would be used to design an amplifier. Other than to have some ideas of what might help alter an amplifiers performance. And since most companies keep what they do to create their own amplifier designs private. Who could know if they do stuff like Carver's challenge to see how they can alter the sound of designs.?  I think what Carver did was say amplifier designs are not voodoo. Folks CAN change the parameters to make them sound the way they want. And that alone may have led to some breakthroughs in amp performance. I am sure no company is going to say We owe it all to Carver for showing us this. and that. But some designers might know they owe him at least a nod of respect for it. 
I owned a Carver 1.5 back in the 80's.IT was a nice amp. Ran cool, did not use too much electrical power.
If you read up on Paul McGowan, he is an audio inventor also. When he sold PS Audio, he knew he could not really do the business end. This time, when he bought PS Audio back, he made SURE he has a good CEO to run the business end. That is all Carvers problem's were too. Most creative types just do not have the handle on making a business profitable. I have no idea if Carer's current business has what it tanks to stay in business. But one can hope he finally also figured out he needs a business guy to actually run the business.